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Luis R. Ramos
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2018, 04:26:25 PM »

No, I am not OK with a minor being constantly bullied. But being a retired public school teacher I have learned that what minors call bullying is not. Minors sometimes are known to misidentify what does bullying consist. As Cicero claims, it can be investigated at the local level without calling the police.

And remember that in most states, like New York, teachers are child abuse mandated reporters. And are trained in spotting so.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2018, 04:56:14 PM »

Knock off the contest, gentlemen. Only warning.



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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2018, 05:19:47 PM »

No, I am not OK with a minor being constantly bullied. But being a retired public school teacher I have learned that what minors call bullying is not. Minors sometimes are known to misidentify what does bullying consist. As Cicero claims, it can be investigated at the local level without calling the police.

And remember that in most states, like New York, teachers are child abuse mandated reporters. And are trained in spotting so.

You know I could have called bs and said it's not.  I didn't and chose to give the benefit of the doubt that everyone cries about. 

If there is assault or harrasement then a police report is the way to go.  The advice doesn't have to be taken but it's bunk and foul to say what was said. 

I can tell you as a former cop that documentation goes a long way in dealing with things especially bullying.  I can tell you as the parent of a bullied child I dealt with it and it stopped.

My advice was sound, just and approppriate.  You don't have to like it or agree with it it wasn't given to either of you.
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2018, 05:31:35 PM »

Immediately contact your Deputy Commander for Cadets.
If you cannot contact the DCC, contact the Squadron Commander.
Are your parents engaged?

I am a C/SSgt in the Oregon Wing. We have this C/Sra soon to be C/SSgt and he is bullying me. I told our cadet commanders what will happen to the bully.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2018, 06:05:42 PM »


Bullying which usually includes some type of assault or harrasement, which are both crimes..  File a police report start the trail.


maybe.  OP has not provided details sufficient to made an informed judgment.  The best advice I've seen is discuss it with the DCC or CC. 
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OldGuy
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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2018, 06:08:21 PM »


Bullying which usually includes some type of assault or harrasement, which are both crimes..  File a police report start the trail.


maybe.  OP has not provided details sufficient to made an informed judgment.  The best advice I've seen is discuss it with the DCC or CC.
Exactly. Bullying is a vague and subjective verb in this context. We have no clue what happened. Engaging the adults - parents and Senior Members is the best practice absent any specific data that would indicate escalation.
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vorteks
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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 06:27:01 PM »

I am a C/SSgt in the Oregon Wing. We have this C/Sra soon to be C/SSgt and he is bullying me. I told our cadet commanders what will happen to the bully.
Um didn't this get anyone's attention?
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abdsp51
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2018, 06:33:10 PM »

Yeah talking to a bully really does the trick.  When it gets worse as it usually does ya'll be eating crow.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2018, 06:33:41 PM »

The correct procedures are outlined in CAPR 52-10 4-1 et seq. and reporting under CPAR 20-1.
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OldGuy
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 06:34:21 PM »

I am a C/SSgt in the Oregon Wing. We have this C/Sra soon to be C/SSgt and he is bullying me. I told our cadet commanders what will happen to the bully.
Um didn't this get anyone's attention?
I read that as a question.
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2018, 06:47:08 PM »

I have never written this before but it is time to lock this thread. 
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Johnny Yuma
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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2018, 07:01:25 PM »

OP if believe you were bullied or hazed you need to report this immediately to your unit commander or barring that your wing commander along with your parents.

While all forms of bullying and hazing are out of line for any CAP member it may or may not rise to the level of being a criminal offense. This is where your parents and CAP command need to deal with it together. 
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2018, 10:12:32 PM »

I am a C/SSgt in the Oregon Wing. We have this C/Sra soon to be C/SSgt and he is bullying me. I told our cadet commanders what will happen to the bully.
Um didn't this get anyone's attention?

Yes, I saw it.  Which is why my response was "your Cadet Commander or a Senior Member Commander?"
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2018, 10:13:44 PM »

I have never written this before but it is time to lock this thread.

No, it's not.  It's time for the ADULTS that are arguing over this to remove themselves and allow the real adults to help guide this cadet through this in an appropriate matter.
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CAP9907
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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2018, 10:28:23 PM »

Already been done.

The OP's concern has been addressed, if it ever existed in the 1st place (troll?) and good advice given. End.

I have never written this before but it is time to lock this thread.

No, it's not.  It's time for the ADULTS that are arguing over this to remove themselves and allow the real adults to help guide this cadet through this in an appropriate matter.
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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2018, 11:51:03 PM »

Y'all know the drill.

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