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Mitchell Aerospace test

Started by Ethan Larsen, July 26, 2017, 04:49:38 am

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Ethan Larsen

Literally the last thing I had for my Mitchell was the Aerospace test. I was sure I had this cat in the bag, and then boom, the floor wen't out from under my feet :( I failed the test with 78%, 80% minimum. I had been doing review for the test from quizlet, which had 115 flash cards on the Mitchell. I had them all 100% down, but when I went to take the test, literally nothing I had studied was there. This maked me feel like I picked thr wrong edition of test. The options for the Ae were 2nd and 3rd edition, but the quizlet cards did not have and edition marked out that they were made for. Does anyone know anything about the editions that the quizlet thing was on, or about any advice in general?

Flash cards I used: https://quizlet.com/6607894/flashcards
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

abdsp51


SarDragon

Yup. The books are your best source. Look at the objectives they call them outcomes) in each section, and see what they want you to take away from the lesson. That's where the test questions are supposed to be taken from.

Here's a sample -
Module 2 - AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS AND AIRPORTS
Chapter 1 - Airplane Systems

Learning Outcomes
- Explain how a reciprocating engine operates.
- Identify parts of the airplane engine when viewed externally.
- Describe how a jet engine operates.
- Identify basic cockpit-mounted powerplant controls.
- Identify basic flight instruments.

If you can recall that info from memory, for each module and chapter, you can pass the test.

Also, make sure the test you are taking and the Aerospace Dimensions Modules you are studying are the same edition.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Spam

Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.


Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam

Ethan Larsen

Quote from: Spam on July 26, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.


Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam


Thank you so much for the help.
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

Ethan Larsen

Quote from: SarDragon on July 26, 2017, 05:17:19 am
Yup. The books are your best source. Look at the objectives they call them outcomes) in each section, and see what they want you to take away from the lesson. That's where the test questions are supposed to be taken from.

Here's a sample -
Module 2 - AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS AND AIRPORTS
Chapter 1 - Airplane Systems

Learning Outcomes
- Explain how a reciprocating engine operates.
- Identify parts of the airplane engine when viewed externally.
- Describe how a jet engine operates.
- Identify basic cockpit-mounted powerplant controls.
- Identify basic flight instruments.

If you can recall that info from memory, for each module and chapter, you can pass the test.

Also, make sure the test you are taking and the Aerospace Dimensions Modules you are studying are the same edition.


I think this is the main reason I didn't pass. I took the wrong edition. Even though I will not continue to use the quizlet thing for review, pretty much all of it matched with my books. But the night after I failed, nothing on the 2nd edition test I took seemed to be in the books, so I'm pretty sure I was reviewing for the wrong edition, which would explain it. It's a bit annoying since I am positive I could have passed the 3rd edition test with something like a 95% score, but a little mistake like selecting the wrong edition is what let me down. Made more frustrating because our next meeting will be in a month.
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

MSG Mac

The Testing Officer should have shredded the old test as soon as the last cadet studying under the old book either passed or left the program. But the questions on either test are generally the same or have slight differences. If possible have the TO set you up on the Internet version of the test, so it is aligned with the latest version.
Michael P. McEleney
Lt Col CAP
MSG USA (Retired)
50 Year Member

Ethan Larsen

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 26, 2017, 10:25:28 pm
The Testing Officer should have shredded the old test as soon as the last cadet studying under the old book either passed or left the program. But the questions on either test are generally the same or have slight differences. If possible have the TO set you up on the Internet version of the test, so it is aligned with the latest version.


A quick look inside my book shows me that I have a 3rd edition book. As long as I click on the 3rd edition test, I should be fine, right?
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

MSG Mac

Michael P. McEleney
Lt Col CAP
MSG USA (Retired)
50 Year Member

PHall

Cadet, it's up to you, the one taking the test, to make sure you're taking the correct test.
Since you're the one who has to deal with the results, not the Test Control Officer...

Ethan Larsen

Quote from: Spam on July 26, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.


Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam


Have been studying from the books and have failed again, 78%. Hopefully I will get it next time.
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

Eclipse

Don't be too hard on yourself - your experience is fairly typical.  The AE test
seems to be the one that gives many cadets some difficultly, and multiple attempts isn't uncommon.



GaryVC

Quote from: Eclipse on August 13, 2017, 09:37:54 pm
Don't be too hard on yourself - your experience is fairly typical.  The AE test
seems to be the one that gives many cadets some difficultly, and multiple attempts isn't uncommon.


This is certainly true in our squadron.

Airplane girl

If you're using quizlet, it might be helpful to make your own flashcard sets, since typing things can help information stick in your brain better. That's what I did when I was studying for my Mitchell.

Spam

Quote from: Ethan Larsen on August 13, 2017, 07:20:05 pm
Quote from: Spam on July 26, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.


Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam


Have been studying from the books and have failed again, 78%. Hopefully I will get it next time.


Pause. Deep breath. Go to original source material (NOT ONLINE QUIZLETS WRITTEN BY POTENTIALLY FLAWED PEERS) and study the real manuals. Read the "learning objectives" for each chapter. Then, after making notes, try it again.

Don't forget, these "quizlets" are not done by CAP. They are done by other teen agers trying to help, and although well intentioned could be very, very inaccurate.

Keep plugging. Orville and Wilbur took months to figure out the basics.

V/r
Spam


Ethan Larsen

Quote from: Spam on July 26, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.


Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam


Thank you for the help, I have finally passed. Sadly I didn't make a 90%, but I was close. Got my Mitchell.
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

Spam

Very well, C/CMSGT (P) Larsen. Press on, and do your best on the next Achievement!

V/r
Spam


Ethan Larsen

Quote from: Spam on August 14, 2017, 03:39:35 am
Quote from: Ethan Larsen on August 13, 2017, 07:20:05 pm
Quote from: Spam on July 26, 2017, 01:16:42 pm
Amen to all the above. As the Navy says "in gouge we trust" (gouge being the unofficial study guide) but the corollary to that is "live by the gouge, DIE by the gouge" because the unofficial stuff can so often be very outdated and WRONG...


So, my advice is the same: don't rely on amateurish quizlets as an authoritative source (any more than you should be using Wikipedia as an authority for ANY research).  In general, you shouldn't to use ANY unofficial, non-peer reviewed, inaccurate sources produced by amateurs as the sole basis for your academic preparation. Stick with the real source material (as cited here) and those learning objectives as your guide.

Yes, I have finally passed. Just a little note, the questions do not seem to be taken from learning outcomes.

Best wishes - repost in a week or two and let us know when you've passed - hopefully with a 90 something plus percent!


Good luck to you!
Spam


Have been studying from the books and have failed again, 78%. Hopefully I will get it next time.


Pause. Deep breath. Go to original source material (NOT ONLINE QUIZLETS WRITTEN BY POTENTIALLY FLAWED PEERS) and study the real manuals. Read the "learning objectives" for each chapter. Then, after making notes, try it again.

Don't forget, these "quizlets" are not done by CAP. They are done by other teen agers trying to help, and although well intentioned could be very, very inaccurate.

Keep plugging. Orville and Wilbur took months to figure out the basics.

V/r
Spam


I finally passed. Just a note, the test's questions do not seem to be taken from learning objectives. I didn't find much similarity. The way I passec was by using 500+ sticky notes and annotating every book...
C/Maj Ethan Larsen

jeders

Quote from: Ethan Larsen on August 23, 2017, 11:59:35 pm
I finally passed. Just a note, the test's questions do not seem to be taken from learning objectives. I didn't find much similarity. The way I passec was by using 500+ sticky notes and annotating every book...


Unfortunately I've heard this a number of times. The leadership test seems to be ok, but the Mitchell aerospace test is almost a roll of the dice if you pass it or not, unless you memorize every word in the books; and even then you're not guaranteed.
If you are confident in you abilities and experience, whether someone else is impressed is irrelevant. - Eclipse

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: jeders on August 24, 2017, 05:44:06 pm

but the Mitchell aerospace test is almost a roll of the dice if you pass it or not, unless you memorize every word in the books; and even then you're not guaranteed.



What?


That's bollocks. It's based on the AE modules, and AE terms/concepts that cadets are expected to learn over the course of their membership up to the Mitchell. Not once did I have a cadet report that the test had zero to do the books they used to study. And if my passive review of it is correct, it's no different than the tests I took in 2005 (in terms of material, not necessarily lack of changes).