Mission Observer Training Guide - MO O-2010

[etodd]

The training Guide found here:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52f294c6e4b0bede38b4d35c/t/533d9646e4b056226a542e3a/1396545094228/CAP+Mission+Observer+Task+Guides+May13.pdf

Includes the section:  MO O-2010  USE IN-FLIGHT SERVICES

Which discusses Flight Watch on 122.0 in Section 2

The FAA discontinued the universal Flight Watch frequency 122.0 MHz for in-flight weather services on Oct. 1, 2015

En route Flight Advisory Service (EFAS) will continue to be provided via charted frequencies pilots use to obtain weather information, open and close flight plans, and for updates on notams and temporary flight restrictions (TFRs). Pilots also may continue to use the universal frequency 122.2 MHz, the FAA said.

Can I assume Hqd knows about this and will revise the Guide at some point? In case not maybe some of you know who needs to see this.

[jeders]

The training Guide found here:

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/52f294c6e4b0bede38b4d35c/t/533d9646e4b056226a542e3a/1396545094228/CAP+Mission+Observer+Task+Guides+May13.pdf

Includes the section:  MO O-2010  USE IN-FLIGHT SERVICES

Which discusses Flight Watch on 122.0 in Section 2

The FAA discontinued the universal Flight Watch frequency 122.0 MHz for in-flight weather services on Oct. 1, 2015

En route Flight Advisory Service (EFAS) will continue to be provided via charted frequencies pilots use to obtain weather information, open and close flight plans, and for updates on notams and temporary flight restrictions (TFRs). Pilots also may continue to use the universal frequency 122.2 MHz, the FAA said.

Can I assume Hqd knows about this and will revise the Guide at some point? In case not maybe some of you know who needs to see this.

Flight watch isn't the only in-flight service.

[etodd]

Flight watch isn't the only in-flight service.

Look at the quote in my first post. That was already addressed.  LOL

Of course there are multiple avenues for obtaining in-flight service.  Point is that 122.0 has been discontinued and so should be deleted from the training guide.

[lordmonar]

To answer your question.

I don't know if the Task Guide committee know of this.

You are right the Task Guide needs to be updated.
Corrections to the Task Guide and supporting training need to be forward to NHQ Operations, Mr John Desmarias or the Chief of Operations Training Col Summer.
Also forwarding the information to the NESA POC Maj Brockman would be a good Idea.

[jeders]

Of course there are multiple avenues for obtaining in-flight service.  Point is that 122.0 has been discontinued and so should be deleted from the training guide.

Sorry, I really didn't get that from your message the first time I read it. In that case, the task guide likely should be updated. As Pat said, forward the suggestion to NHQ, and I would add wing DO, so that a change can be made.

Look at the quote in my first post. That was already addressed.  LOL

This right here, laughing at someone for not understanding a point that you are trying to make, shows a distinct lack of respect.

[etodd]

To answer your question.

I don't know if the Task Guide committee know of this.

You are right the Task Guide needs to be updated.
Corrections to the Task Guide and supporting training need to be forward to NHQ Operations, Mr John Desmarias or the Chief of Operations Training Col Summer.
Also forwarding the information to the NESA POC Maj Brockman would be a good Idea.

Thanks. I didn't see those contacts listed, so I sent it to a generic Operations email address I found on the website asking whoever gets it to forward to the proper person.

[lordmonar]

To answer your question.

I don't know if the Task Guide committee know of this.

You are right the Task Guide needs to be updated.
Corrections to the Task Guide and supporting training need to be forward to NHQ Operations, Mr John Desmarias or the Chief of Operations Training Col Summer.
Also forwarding the information to the NESA POC Maj Brockman would be a good Idea.

Thanks. I didn't see those contacts listed, so I sent it to a generic Operations email address I found on the website asking whoever gets it to forward to the proper person.

Be sure to CC your wing Operations Guys so they can follow up as well.

And that folks is how we make changes. 

[etodd]

Heard from the folks in Montgomery. They said it was 'already in the que' to change. LOL

A beautiful example of government bureaucracy at work. The FAA announced this about a year or so ago. It actually happened last October 1st. And here it is March of the following year.

If the Word Doc was on my computer and I had ftp upload access ... I could delete the paragraph in 5 seconds, export it to pdf in 10 seconds and upload to the server in another few seconds.

This is the age of the internet. You do NOT have to pile up changes over the course of a year to then PRINT up a new edition of paper manuals.  AS CHANGES happen, simply take a few seconds to update the manual online.

THIS ... is why I will never be asked to work in Montgomery.  As a lifelong entrepreneur/businessman I would streamline the place and increase efficiency ten fold. 

(Ducks and runs for cover.)

[Holding Pattern]

Heard from the folks in Montgomery. They said it was 'already in the que' to change. LOL

A beautiful example of government bureaucracy at work. The FAA announced this about a year or so ago. It actually happened last October 1st. And here it is March of the following year.

If the Word Doc was on my computer and I had ftp upload access ... I could delete the paragraph in 5 seconds, export it to pdf in 10 seconds and upload to the server in another few seconds.

This is the age of the internet. You do NOT have to pile up changes over the course of a year to then PRINT up a new edition of paper manuals.  AS CHANGES happen, simply take a few seconds to update the manual online.

THIS ... is why I will never be asked to work in Montgomery.  As a lifelong entrepreneur/businessman I would streamline the place and increase efficiency ten fold. 

(Ducks and runs for cover.)

The problem is that you can't just "delete the paragraph in 5 seconds and re-upload." Changes need to be verified and workflow impacts need to be assessed. Skipping steps because something "seems like a quick fix" can result in unforseen consequences.

Yes, this one looks pretty cut and dried. But there was once a time where a formula change in government issued cat litter resulted in a $240 million dollar nuclear incident.

So we check the little things over time and work them into the document issuing schedules. I doubt the world will end either way with this paragraph inclusion or exclusion.

[etodd]

Heard from the folks in Montgomery. They said it was 'already in the que' to change. LOL

A beautiful example of government bureaucracy at work. The FAA announced this about a year or so ago. It actually happened last October 1st. And here it is March of the following year.

If the Word Doc was on my computer and I had ftp upload access ... I could delete the paragraph in 5 seconds, export it to pdf in 10 seconds and upload to the server in another few seconds.

This is the age of the internet. You do NOT have to pile up changes over the course of a year to then PRINT up a new edition of paper manuals.  AS CHANGES happen, simply take a few seconds to update the manual online.

THIS ... is why I will never be asked to work in Montgomery.  As a lifelong entrepreneur/businessman I would streamline the place and increase efficiency ten fold. 

(Ducks and runs for cover.)

The problem is that you can't just "delete the paragraph in 5 seconds and re-upload." Changes need to be verified and workflow impacts need to be assessed. Skipping steps because something "seems like a quick fix" can result in unforseen consequences.

Yes, this one looks pretty cut and dried. But there was once a time where a formula change in government issued cat litter resulted in a $240 million dollar nuclear incident.

So we check the little things over time and work them into the document issuing schedules. I doubt the world will end either way with this paragraph inclusion or exclusion.

I'll agree that there is a better flow somewhere in the middle that would enable CAP to be current and not months behind the FAA, who is also inherently behind the curve on most things. LOL