Relocation Sortie Question for HS, CD, etc.

[sparksnmagic]

Does anybody in here know whether we count relocation sorties for homeland security and counter-drug ribbons?  If you have the answer, please share your justification.  Thanks -- BK

[lordmonar]

If the sorties are conducted on an DHS or a CD mission number then they count.   It does not matter what the purpose for the sortie was.

[jeders]

e. Counterdrug Ribbon. Awarded to senior members for participation in 10 counterdrug sorties.

l. Homeland Security Ribbon. Awarded for participation in ten actual Homeland Security sorties as defined by the tasking organization as being in the interest of the security and/or defense of the nation.

No distinction is made about relocation versus search sorties, or even ground versus air. The only requirement is that they be actual missions, not training.

As a note, when I got my first CD ribbon, more than half of my CD sorties were relocation sorties; and of those, 2 were air and 4 were ground.

[sparksnmagic]

I am inclined to agree with you both, given that they are all under the same mission regardless of sortie type.  I'm doing ribbons as part of my recruiting/retention contribution, and this affects device count.  Thanks!

[AirDX]

Agree with all the above; a sortie is a sortie.  I kept track and got all my crews awarded homeland security ribbons when I was a wing ops guy running the Cope Spade missions.

[Storm Chaser]

Actually, there is a distinction. The sortie has to be a Homeland Security, Counterdrug, SAR, etc. to count for the corresponding ribbon. Relocation is its own type of sortie and doesn't count. CAPR 39-3 clearly points to sortie type, not mission type.

[lordmonar]

Actually, there is a distinction. The sortie has to be a Homeland Security, Counterdrug, SAR, etc. to count for the corresponding ribbon. Relocation is its own type of sortie and doesn't count. CAPR 39-3 clearly points to sortie type, not mission type.

Nope disagree.

A sortie is a sortie is a sortie.....they are all important and they all count.

Just like it does not matter what position you hold at the mission base.....they all count.

[sparksnmagic]

I got clarification from National on the topic.  Relocation sorties count, if they're under the same mission.  It falls under the "in any capacity" umbrella.  BK

[disamuel]

Sorry to chime in late. What about sorties to and from a CD training event? Mission symbol A5?

[jeders]

Sorry to chime in late. What about sorties to and from a CD training event? Mission symbol A5?

Generally speaking, training missions do not count towards ribbon credit.