ES Task credit from military training

[jdh]

Looking over the ES task lists and comparing it to the Army's Skill Task list items that are required to complete basic training I think the following tasks should be credited to graduates of Army basic (only branch I have looked up, I was Army and have a few Army vets in the squadron).
O-tasks
0003, 0004, 0005, 0006, 0101, 0102, 0103, 0104, 0201, 0202, 0203, 0204, 0209, 0210, 0211, 0212, 0213, 0214, 0215, 0216, 0217, 0218, 0220, (the following 4 in search of enemy not missing person) [0403, 0404, 0405, 0409] 0502, 0601, 0605, 0701, 0702, 0703, 0802, 0902, 1001, 1002, 1101
P-tasks
0101, 0102, 0202, 0203, 0204
L-tasks
0001, 0002, 0003, 0101

What do the rest of you think, and how do the other branches line up for BCT requirements?

[THRAWN]

This question comes up from time to time. In fact, you brought it up last about 45 days ago here:

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=20048.0

The responses that were provided are still valid.

[jdh]

Im not asking about waivers, Im asking what people opinions are as to whether or not those tasks (or any others) would/should be considered equivalent.

Also I forgot that I had made that post.

[THRAWN]

Im not asking about waivers, Im asking what people opinions are as to whether or not those tasks (or any others) would/should be considered equivalent.

Asked and answered in your own thread. Demonstrate the required task and perform in the required sorties. If you can perform the tasks, there should be no problem.

[Ed Bos]

We don't give credit for Orienteering Merit Badge from the BSA for land navigation either even though, like Army training, there are skills overlap.

For what it's worth, we also make military pilots demonstrate proficiency in CAP aircraft before they're qualified as mission pilots. They don't get a pass just because they've completed flight training.

There are highly skilled soldiers, and soldiers that only barely pass their land navigation tasks. In fact, we have an Army veteran in the Team Leader Course at NESA who commented on the challenge of our requirements compared to his Army experience yesterday during land navigation. It seems to me like he benefited from the refresher training.

In other news, the Team Leader Course is going well, and our 17 students seem to be able to complete our task evaluation fine. I don't think you'll have a problem when you have an opportunity to meet up with an evaluator, JDH.

Cheers, from Camp Atterbury!

[Pylon]

If you're truly proficient already, then simply demonstrating that should require little effort and little time.  Seems like it's already simple enough.


I'm a Marine rifleman NCO and supervise a number of Marines, mostly infantry.  I know I wouldn't want every single Marine 0311 waived on tasks like land navigation.  Just because you were once taught something at the schoolhouse doesn't mean you are still proficient in every METL/PECL 4 years down the road near the end of your enlistment, or 8 years down the road after you've been out for a couple years.

[Capt Thompson]

JDH, first off thank you for your service.

Your logic would be sound, if the task in Army Basic was exactly the same as the equivalent CAP task, and you qualified recently. In CAP, there isn't a policy of "I did this before so I don't have to do it again." GTM's and GTL's have to requalify within 3 years, which means they have to demonstrate the task again to prove proficiency. If you went through basic recently, that argument may hold a little weight, but if it's been 3+ years, the previous training would be meaningless if you couldn't demonstrate the task per the testing guidelines.

Every specialty qualification has to requalify over and over again. If you already know the material, no big deal, just grab an SET and show proficiency and he/she will sign off your SQTR.

[lordmonar]

Im not asking about waivers, Im asking what people opinions are as to whether or not those tasks (or any others) would/should be considered equivalent.

Also I forgot that I had made that post.

Well......yes and no.

They are equivalent....but just like the army.....CAP don't care.

There are two ways to get a tasked sighed off.....do the task per the task guide......or do a waiver.

[RiverAux]

I've never quite understood why some people get so hung up on the task requirements in CAP (ES stuff) or CG Aux (boatcrew stuff).  Its not like either organization requires you to take a class before demonstrating your ability to do the task. 

If you know what you're doing, it should be a breeze to knock that stuff out. 

[coudano]

If you know what you're doing, it should be a breeze to knock that stuff out.

OTOH, I've seen more than a few people who claimed that they knew what they were doing from all their military training, who could not --in fact-- do the tasks, when asked.

[THRAWN]

If you know what you're doing, it should be a breeze to knock that stuff out.

OTOH, I've seen more than a few people who claimed that they knew what they were doing from all their military training, who could not --in fact-- do the tasks, when asked.

Which is exactly why CAP makes everybody perform the tasks, even if they were a member of the 5th Special SEAL Regiment when they were in the Marine Corps.