SUI Results Distribution

[RiverAux]

How widely are the results of SUIs distributed through your Wing staff?  Seems to me that at least in our Wing no one but the IG and I assume Wing Commander and Vice Commander and Chief of Staff see them.  I know for a fact that Wing staff officers don't get them, even though there is a pretty obvious reason why Wing Staff officers would be interested in learning how squadrons are doing in implementing the various programs. 

I'm wondering if that is standard practice or an aberration. 

[flyboy53]

There really isn't a reason to distribute SUI results to every wing staff member unless that individual had a role in the SUI in question.

[Grumpy]

1.  Go to eServices. 
2.  Select Inspector General
3.  Select SUI/CI/SAV Reports
4.  Select Organization

You can see the last two inspection results for any CAP unit in the country.  I'm in Calif and just looked at a unit in Georgia.

[RiverAux]

Well, thanks a bunch Grumpy.  Never saw that option before (had to re-edit my "favorites" list in the old eservices to find it. 

There really isn't a reason to distribute SUI results to every wing staff member unless that individual had a role in the SUI in question.

You really don't think that, for example, the Wing Cadet Programs officer has a strong reason to know whether or not squadrons are failing to properly implement the cadet program? 

[Eclipse]

The statistics a wing DCP needs are available on a real time basis.

I agree they should not be a secret, but wing staff have little use for the info.

[RiverAux]

I'll take your word for it that statistics are available, but the SUI covers a lot of stuff that aren't going to be in any online database. 

(just took a look at the cadet checklist and wasn't terribly impressed in what it covers, but it does address things other than stats). 

[lordmonar]

The statistics a wing DCP needs are available on a real time basis.

I agree they should not be a secret, but wing staff have little use for the info.

Highly disagree.

Every wing staff agency should reveiw the results of each SUI as it happens.  They should look at their program area and see if there are any trends, any best practices, any areas that need attention.

[Eclipse]

What is a Wing DCP going to do with information about Whether the requisite seniors are present, have completed RST (only applicable in certain cases
and generally out of a unit CCs control), and if fluids are being replaced properly (+ if HAAs are properly approved).

Pretty much any unit from struggling to QCA is going to pop highly successful regardless.

(For those of you scoring at home, that's the total inspection checklist, (unless JeffDG is the inspector, then who knows).

[Eclipse]

Every wing staff agency should reveiw the results of each SUI as it happens.  They should look at their program area and see if there are any trends, any best practices, any areas that need attention.

Maybe, but few do or care because fixing them is out of their control and authority.

Thw wing staff's CI checkboxes are usually different from the unit ones and are all about piling up individual stacks of forms, not
program execution.

which is why the whole process is a ridiculous waste of time.

[lordmonar]

which is why the whole process is a ridiculous waste of time.

On that we can agree.

[Grumpy]

What is a Wing DCP going to do with information about Whether the requisite seniors are present, have completed RST (only applicable in certain cases
and generally out of a unit CCs control), and if fluids are being replaced properly (+ if HAAs are properly approved).

Pretty much any unit from struggling to QCA is going to pop highly successful regardless.

(For those of you scoring at home, that's the total inspection checklist, (unless JeffDG is the inspector, then who knows).

Gee, here I thought it wouldn't matter as long as you could suck on the tube coming out of your camel back.   

[UWONGO2]

There really isn't a reason to distribute SUI results to every wing staff member unless that individual had a role in the SUI in question.

At the very least, wing staffers should be getting the HHQ-Discrepancies forwarded to them for follow-up.

[Eclipse]

Agreed.

[Private Investigator]

How widely are the results of SUIs distributed through your Wing staff?  Seems to me that at least in our Wing no one but the IG and I assume Wing Commander and Vice Commander and Chief of Staff see them.  I know for a fact that Wing staff officers don't get them, even though there is a pretty obvious reason why Wing Staff officers would be interested in learning how squadrons are doing in implementing the various programs. 

I'm wondering if that is standard practice or an aberration.

My POV. For example, if I was the Wing/DC I would like to know how each Squadron is doing in Communications. The ones that are doing poorly, is the corporate radio in a file cabinet? Do they need someone to put up an antenna? Is their a total lack of interest in Comm? JMHO, YMMV      

[lordmonar]

In NV wing I'm on a mailing llist for all SUI done in the wing.   I don't know if it is because I'm a former commander....but bottom line is that NV wing shares the data with all the squadrons so that they can learn from them.

[Laplace]

Every wing staff agency should reveiw the results of each SUI as it happens.  They should look at their program area and see if there are any trends, any best practices, any areas that need attention.

Maybe, but few do or care because fixing them is out of their control and authority.

I get that, unfortunately, few care; but why do you say it's out of their control and authority?   The Wing Staff have a responsibility to teach and assist their subordinate unit counterparts.   If a squadron has serious deficiencies that merit an Unsat or Marginally Successful, the IG and/or the Wing CC should forward that area's results to the appropriate Wing Staffer. 

As the Wing IG, I will reach out to Wing Staff members when I see repeat discrepancies in their areas during several SUIs.  This allows them to know what areas need to be clarified via emails, trainings or Wing conference classes.

[FW]

^Hence, the need for Wing Staff meetings. It is good when an IG can inform the commander and staff of problem areas.  I find it more productive when all work together to improve things. Just sayn'

[JeffDG]

How widely are the results of SUIs distributed through your Wing staff?  Seems to me that at least in our Wing no one but the IG and I assume Wing Commander and Vice Commander and Chief of Staff see them.  I know for a fact that Wing staff officers don't get them, even though there is a pretty obvious reason why Wing Staff officers would be interested in learning how squadrons are doing in implementing the various programs. 

I'm wondering if that is standard practice or an aberration.

My POV. For example, if I was the Wing/DC I would like to know how each Squadron is doing in Communications. The ones that are doing poorly, is the corporate radio in a file cabinet? Do they need someone to put up an antenna? Is their a total lack of interest in Comm? JMHO, YMMV   

When I held the DC job, I read the reports just to see what units needed some assistance from Wing.  Part of the role of the Higher HQ staff is to provide support to units that are struggling in an area, or take best practices and spread them around, both of which can be gleaned from, among other sources, SUI reports.

Plus, if you're the DC or LG, you need to advise the Commander that he's required to implement a logistics freeze on a "Marginal" or "Unsuccessful" grade on Logistics or Communications (if the MS or US was due to property management), and you can't do that without reviewing the reports.

[Private Investigator]

In NV wing I'm on a mailing llist for all SUI done in the wing.   I don't know if it is because I'm a former commander....but bottom line is that NV wing shares the data with all the squadrons so that they can learn from them.

That is a good approach. Every Squadron get s a new Commander wants to reinvent the wheel. They should really see what the others are doing. 

[James Shaw]

^Hence, the need for Wing Staff meetings. It is good when an IG can inform the commander and staff of problem areas.  I find it more productive when all work together to improve things. Just sayn'

Agreed: This type of open communication can assist the Commanders and the various staff members to do a GAP analysis and put a contingency plan in place.