AFJROTC credit for CAP rank

[Blackjack]

Hi guys, Im working on starting a JROTC unit at my high school. Im a sophomore, so Il only have 2 years, but I recall reading that being a cadet officer in CAP will allow you to skip years/enter in at advanced grade. Can anyone provide more info on that?

[MSG Mac]

CAPM 52-16

[LSThiker]

CAPM 52-16

Does not apply. He is asking if CAP gets him AFJROTC credit and not if AFJROTC gets him CAP credit.

Also, it has not been CAPM since about 2000, when they introduced the armstrong achievement.

[Garibaldi]

AFAIK, CAP doesn't count for much in AFJROTC other than having a leg up in drill. We have a few dual enrolled cadets and they have never asked about what CAP does for AFJROTC, but the other way around. Having an official letter from the detachment from the CO to put in the file with the inclusive dates of participation is what WE need to verify and give the cadet the opportunity to advance one month at a time.

[lordmonar]

As far as I know.....JROTC rank is completely up to what ever system the local unit creates.

BWIWAC....I jumped from C/AB to C/Sgt because they appointed me Flight Sergeant.

So.....it is not too far outside the realm of possibilities for a new JROTC instructor taking your CAP rank and experience into consideration when choosing his leaders.

On that note.....I did not think they were creating any more new JROTC units.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

We had a few dual-status CAP/AFJROTC units in my first squadron.

I remember that it was a headache figuring out their rank insignia (so I just used "Cadet" for all of them), and since they were allowed to wear all of their CAP and AFJROTC ribbons, they had the stereotypical "self-appointed Dictator General" look.

One young man in that unit, for whom I saw great promise and a bright future, had more ribbons than General Colin Powell, no joke...and unfortunately many of these dual-status cadets ribbon racks, big as they were, often were not well-tended.

[Eclipse]

I remember that it was a headache figuring out their rank insignia (so I just used "Cadet" for all of them), and since they were allowed to wear all of their CAP and AFJROTC ribbons, they had the stereotypical "self-appointed Dictator General" look.

They can wear their CAP decs, but they need to be wearing CAP insignia at CAP activities, no grade filter should be necessary.

[catrulz]

I remember that it was a headache figuring out their rank insignia (so I just used "Cadet" for all of them), and since they were allowed to wear all of their CAP and AFJROTC ribbons, they had the stereotypical "self-appointed Dictator General" look.

They can wear their CAP decs, but they need to be wearing CAP insignia at CAP activities, no grade filter should be necessary.

CAP Ribbons allowed on the AFJROTC uniform is by permission/whim of the AFJROTC instructor.  My instructor only allowed the Curry ribbon to be worn to signify membership.  On the other hand I was allowed to wear all my JROTC ribbons on my CAP uniform.  So I built one rack and only wore my Curry. 

My AFJROTC instructor was not a big supporter of CAP.  This wasn't due to its mission or ideals, it was more due to expense and the fact it was not professionally mentored (by professional I mean by AF NCO and Officers).  Also, the lack of valif AF activity offered by CAP.  I went on 4 AFJROTC KC-135 tanker o-flights in 2 years out of Castle AFB and Mather AFB.  Also, got to tour the SR-71 facilities at Beale AFB.   Didn't get to do anything near that interesting in CAP.  On the other hand CAP got me some experiences I was not going to get in AFJROTC, like commanding a Color Guard.

For clarification, are you trying to start an AFJROTC unit or is your school/school district attempting to place an AFJROTC unit in your school.  I ask, because JROTC is service and congressionally mandated.  Back in my day, there were only 200 schools nationwide authorized an AFJROTC unit.  That number may have increased since then, but the number is still a set number.  This was also the case for Army and Navy JROTC.  I'm not sure about MCJROTC, since MCJROTC was not bound by the 100 cadet enrollment rule that the other three branches were.  You definitely can't just decide I'm going to start a JROTC unit.

[catrulz]

Sorry, didn't want to combine these replies.

Going back to the original post, even though you get no rank credit for CAP cadet service in AFJROTC, remember, cadets don't take tests for promotion in JROTC.  Your instructor and cadet leadership evaluate you and decide usually 3-4 times per school year if you should be promoted and to what grade.

Although not guaranteed, I would think CAP membership should give a leg up in a new JROTC unit.  Since most of your fellow JROTC cadets are going to know nothing.  You will at least have had some leadership, drill and ceremonies, customs and courtesies training.

[EMT-83]

Again proving the rule that every topic becomes a uniform thread.

[MHC5096]

As far as I know.....JROTC rank is completely up to what ever system the local unit creates.

BWIWAC....I jumped from C/AB to C/Sgt because they appointed me Flight Sergeant.

So.....it is not too far outside the realm of possibilities for a new JROTC instructor taking your CAP rank and experience into consideration when choosing his leaders.

On that note.....I did not think they were creating any more new JROTC units.

That's so true. I left one high school NJROTC unit in FL as a C/PO1 Platoon Commander my sophmore year and helped start a new NJROTC unit in MD my junior year. I was immediately promoted to C/LCDR and assigned as a Company Commander.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

My AFJROTC instructor was not a big supporter of CAP.  This wasn't due to its mission or ideals, it was more due to expense and the fact it was not professionally mentored (by professional I mean by AF NCO and Officers).  Also, the lack of valif AF activity offered by CAP.  I went on 4 AFJROTC KC-135 tanker o-flights in 2 years out of Castle AFB and Mather AFB.  Also, got to tour the SR-71 facilities at Beale AFB.   Didn't get to do anything near that interesting in CAP.

Well, the relationship between the USAF and AFJROTC is definitely a "favoured child" one v. the relationship between the USAF and CAP.  Except for higher echelons, and units which actually meet on AF/AFRES/ANGB's, much of the USAF, especially the junior enlisted ranks, don't even know who we are, and unfortunately many of those have heard dubious stories (some are outright lies) about how CAP members have tried to force salutes from AF personnel.

In contrast, to lead an AFJROTC detachment, you must be a retired AF officer/NCO, or current ANG/AFRES officer/NCO (someone please correct me, my information may be faulty).

I remember even years ago, when the relationship between CAP and the AF was much closer than it is now, when I was in BMT, my MTI asked us new Airmen (we were called "Airmen" back then instead of "Trainees"...I told you this was a while ago!) if any of us had AFJROTC experience.  One Airman piped up and said "Sir, I have similar experience from the Civil Air Patrol..."  The TI ran over to him, got nose-to-nose with him and screamed "I SAID AFJROTC!  I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE [darn] CIVIL AIR PATROL!"

Mind you, we used to have a lot more O-flights for cadets.  When I first joined back in 1993, my Wing had a very good relationship with a nearby AFRES Air Refuelling Wing, and I remember several cadet groupings getting flights on their KC-135's.

When money in general started drying up for the USAF in the 1990s and was much more focussed on combat operations after 9/11, the Air Force had to make decisions about who they were going to spend that money on.  It is no surprise that they decided to spend it on their "favoured child" rather than their "red-haired stepchild."

[ColonelJack]

My AFJROTC instructor was not a big supporter of CAP.  This wasn't due to its mission or ideals, it was more due to expense and the fact it was not professionally mentored (by professional I mean by AF NCO and Officers).  Also, the lack of valif AF activity offered by CAP.  I went on 4 AFJROTC KC-135 tanker o-flights in 2 years out of Castle AFB and Mather AFB.  Also, got to tour the SR-71 facilities at Beale AFB.   Didn't get to do anything near that interesting in CAP.

I remember even years ago, when the relationship between CAP and the AF was much closer than it is now, when I was in BMT, my MTI asked us new Airmen (we were called "Airmen" back then instead of "Trainees"...I told you this was a while ago!) if any of us had AFJROTC experience.  One Airman piped up and said "Sir, I have similar experience from the Civil Air Patrol..."  The TI ran over to him, got nose-to-nose with him and screamed "I SAID AFJROTC!  I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE [darn] CIVIL AIR PATROL!"

Heh ... reminds me of when I was at Lackland in '75.  Our first day there ... our Team Chief, SSgt Bong, asked about ROTC experience (he didn't specify AFJROTC).  I kept my mouth shut, for reasons that will become clear.  The next day, while we were getting shots and all that fun stuff, the Team Member, SSgt Williams, saw me execute an about-face and immediately called me up.  "Sir, Airman Bagley reports as ordered!" I said, saluting.  He asked me where I learned how to do an about-face and I told him, "Sir, I had two years of Army ROTC in high school."  SSgt Williams immediately got in my face and yelled, "Why didn't you tell SSgt Bong about that when he asked about it yesterday?"  I must've had a good moment, because I had the presence of mind to say, "Sir!  If I recall correctly, SSgt Bong specifically asked if anyone had three years of ROTC.  I only had two, sir."  Williams leaned back, smiled, and said, "Good answer.  Get back in ranks."  When BMT assignments were handed out, I got squad leader. 

Jack

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Your MTI had much more of a sense of humour than mine did.

I ended up as Academic Monitor.  Talk about being hated.

[lordmonar]

Being the AFROTC/AFJROTC geek in basic got me the job of guide....which got me out of a lot of BS!  I missed being academic monitor because one other guy in my flight scored higher on category of the ASVAB them me.

And those scores were right there on your records....you could not hide them.

[Panache]

Mind you, we used to have a lot more O-flights for cadets.  When I first joined back in 1993, my Wing had a very good relationship with a nearby AFRES Air Refuelling Wing, and I remember several cadet groupings getting flights on their KC-135's.

Your experience is different then mine.  When I was a cadet in the 90's, we got one O-flight, and that was it.

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

Being the AFROTC/AFJROTC geek in basic got me the job of guide....which got me out of a lot of BS!  I missed being academic monitor because one other guy in my flight scored higher on category of the ASVAB them me.

And those scores were right there on your records....you could not hide them.

So I found out.  One of my MTI's favourite "needles" with me was "so much book smarts...and not a lick of common sense."

After a while it became like a drone that I tuned out.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Mind you, we used to have a lot more O-flights for cadets.  When I first joined back in 1993, my Wing had a very good relationship with a nearby AFRES Air Refuelling Wing, and I remember several cadet groupings getting flights on their KC-135's.

Your experience is different then mine.  When I was a cadet in the 90's, we got one O-flight, and that was it.

Had two rides as a cadet - KC135 and C130. In the 2006-2007 range. One out of Grissom, the other out of Billy Mitchell Airport.