CAP/CC Start of Term Report August 15 2014

Started by Eclipse, August 17, 2014, 05:57:40 AM

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THRAWN

Nice corporate org chart. Good bye AF Aux, hello CAP corporation.
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Luis R. Ramos

Focus on aircrews, distancing again from ground operations...

One year free membership to military... More special promotions? This has been discussed several threads in CAPTalk... So I do not feel a need to rehash everything that has been said...

AOPA and Scouts like organizations (to CAP)... AOPA yes. Scouts, did he mean Boy Scouts? I don't think so...

Did I miss something here?
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dwb

You never know if an org chart will work until you see it in action. I'll reserve judgment there, but I like the concept of unifying the paid and volunteer staff (as fraught with difficulty as it has been).

Slide 6 is interesting. It gets its own slide in a very short briefing, and it basically says "stop the flurry of uncoordinated changes". No more regs released on Friday afternoon and effective immediately (*cough* CPP). Every recent commander seems to promise this, let's see if they stick to it.

I'm optimistic about the new CEO. I like the focus on member development and new missions. We shall see what transpires!

NCRblues

Pilots pilots pilots...

It's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)
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keystone102

I feel that having IT report to the COO via Ops is wrong. Most modern organizations have IT report directly to the CEO or COO as all parts of the organization need and use technology.

Brad

Quote from: THRAWN on August 17, 2014, 01:39:36 PM
Nice corporate org chart. Good bye AF Aux, hello CAP corporation.

How so? all that stuff is NHQ-internal organization for the CAP corporate side, which has always been under the COO (formerly Executive Director). For us the volunteers in the main CAP chain of command we're still ultimately reporting to CAP/CC.

Quote from: keystone102 on August 17, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
I feel that having IT report to the COO via Ops is wrong. Most modern organizations have IT report directly to the CEO or COO as all parts of the organization need and use technology.

An organization such as a company or regular business perhaps, but look back to your FEMA training and the various ESFs or to any military org chart and you'll see how IT fits in as a subfunction of Ops. The only people that consistently need to report to the Old Man are the CV and the major department heads/branches, otherwise the span of control needed becomes unwieldy.
Brad Lee
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Mid-Atlantic Region
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The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: THRAWN on August 17, 2014, 01:39:36 PM
Nice corporate org chart. Good bye AF Aux, hello CAP corporation.

It's been that way for a loooong time.
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dwb

Quote from: NCRblues on August 17, 2014, 04:09:42 PMIt's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)

Maj Gen Vazquez is an Earhart cadet. And a frequent orientation pilot in VAWG. I doubt the CP mission will be ignored under his tutelage.

NC Hokie

Quote from: dwb on August 17, 2014, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: NCRblues on August 17, 2014, 04:09:42 PMIt's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)

Maj Gen Vazquez is an Earhart cadet. And a frequent orientation pilot in VAWG. I doubt the CP mission will be ignored under his tutelage.

Yeah, I suspect that the "lack of support" to CP in this report is a reflection that CP is currently the least of our worries.
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Garp

Quote from: NCRblues on August 17, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Pilots pilots pilots...

It's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)

What do you think its meant by "train new pilots"?  I'm guessing it's not seniors

Storm Chaser

Quote from: Garp on August 17, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
Quote from: NCRblues on August 17, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Pilots pilots pilots...

It's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)

What do you think its meant by "train new pilots"?  I'm guessing it's not seniors

I think it means just that. Many wings are currently short on pilots, which are needed for many of our missions. It also takes much longer to get pilots trained and through their Forms 5 and 91 than with most CAP qualifications.

As someone who's heavily involved in group ops, I can understand the emphasis on air ops. After all, as important as ground ops are, we are the Civil Air Patrol and our fleet of aircraft and trained aircrews are one of our largest CAP assets.

MajorM

I would hope that the train new pilots mission has both connotations.  Yes, internally we need more pilots.  However, in the civilian fleet we need more as well.  There are many forecasts that show pilot development is far behind future demand.

And I've long thought we could do more with marketing/support relationship with the ERAUs and UNDs of the world.

JeffDG

Quote from: keystone102 on August 17, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
I feel that having IT report to the COO via Ops is wrong. Most modern organizations have IT report directly to the CEO or COO as all parts of the organization need and use technology.
Most studies disagree with you.

For the most part, the majority of CIOs report via the CFO when you look at large organizations (F500ish)


Panache

Quote from: Garp on August 17, 2014, 08:58:32 PM
Quote from: NCRblues on August 17, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Pilots pilots pilots...

It's nice to see CP will be well supported... (Sarcasm warning)

What do you think its meant by "train new pilots"?  I'm guessing it's not seniors

My big regret was that (discounted) pilot training was not available (or, at least, was never communicated to me) when I was a cadet back in the 80's. 

Ed Bos

Quote from: keystone102 on August 17, 2014, 05:22:18 PM
I feel that having IT report to the COO via Ops is wrong. Most modern organizations have IT report directly to the CEO or COO as all parts of the organization need and use technology.

I'm betting they have IT reporting to Ops because they spend a large portion of their time working for Ops. I'm guessing WMIRS and the eServices operations-related utilities (e.g., Ops Quals) take up a bunch of the IT dept's time.
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keystone102

Then why doesn't finance report to ops? My point is that technology is used by the whole organization. Having IT report to finance or ops can cause internal conflicts. The priority for IT development should be done at a executive level, not decided by functional areas.

In any event I will salute and keep rolling along.

JackFrost3k

Quote from: keystone102 on August 18, 2014, 05:27:42 AM
Then why doesn't finance report to ops? My point is that technology is used by the whole organization. Having IT report to finance or ops can cause internal conflicts. The priority for IT development should be done at a executive level, not decided by functional areas.

In any event I will salute and keep rolling along.

Makes sense, especially with IT's impact throughout an organization opposed to just the major functional areas

Ed Bos

Quote from: keystone102 on August 18, 2014, 05:27:42 AM
Then why doesn't finance report to ops? My point is that technology is used by the whole organization. Having IT report to finance or ops can cause internal conflicts. The priority for IT development should be done at a executive level, not decided by functional areas.

In any event I will salute and keep rolling along.

In this case, I doubt IT is managing workstations, or public-facing websites. I think it's only 1 or 2 employees that spend most of their time on specific projects.

Within the larger organization, I would agree with you. Keeping in mind that NHQ is really one small office, they probably aligned folks where they need them.
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