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Long Term Care Solicitation

Started by Eclipse, May 07, 2014, 07:52:17 pm

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Eclipse

May 07, 2014, 07:52:17 pm Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 07:55:36 pm by Eclipse
So the new junkmail is from ACSIA with an offer of "Long Term Care" for me and my family.

Whether NHQ sold my name to some financial services junkmail list, or they are getting
a piece off the top, this needs to stop.

I spend a fair amount of time keeping myself off of these lists, always opting out, and
being less then friendly to robocalls.

The membership is not a revenue pool.



capmaj


SunDog

Seriously - NHQ sold (sells?) member lists?  For sure, or are you supposing?

Eclipse

May 07, 2014, 08:11:37 pm #3 Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 08:33:45 pm by Eclipse
I have no way to know "for sure", but...

The return address has the CAP logo and Maxwell's return address.

It was addressed to me personally including my CAP Grade.

It has the CAP logo on the top of the sheet.

Signed by Don Rowland.

So either CAP rented my name, or their system is compromised.

I've also confirmed I am opted out of 3rd party solicitation.





a2capt

We'll see if any more of us get the same thing.. 

Have you had them try and come to the unit to pitch life insurance?

Really annoying waste of time.

Eclipse

Quote from: a2capt on May 07, 2014, 08:12:16 pm
We'll see if any more of us get the same thing.. 

Have you had them try and come to the unit to pitch life insurance?

Really annoying waste of time.


Wait, are you serious, they've showed up to your unit meetings?  Who allowed that?



JeffDG

Quote from: Eclipse on May 07, 2014, 08:14:58 pm
Quote from: a2capt on May 07, 2014, 08:12:16 pm
We'll see if any more of us get the same thing.. 

Have you had them try and come to the unit to pitch life insurance?

Really annoying waste of time.


Wait, are you serious, they've showed up to your unit meetings?  Who allowed that?
The unit meeting times/places are public information.  An enterprising salesman could look up the local meetings and go from there.

Eclipse

True enough, though they'd be wasting their gas around me.



dwb

Login to eServices.

Click "My Account" in the upper right-hand corner.

Find this checkbox, click it, then click the "Save Changes" button at the bottom.

Eclipse

Quote from: dwb on May 07, 2014, 08:26:00 pm
Login to eServices.

Click "My Account" in the upper right-hand corner.

Find this checkbox, click it, then click the "Save Changes" button at the bottom.


Done many moons ago and confirmed (above) that it was still checked, so apparently that means zero.



JeffDG

Quote from: Eclipse on May 07, 2014, 08:33:17 pm
Quote from: dwb on May 07, 2014, 08:26:00 pm
Login to eServices.

Click "My Account" in the upper right-hand corner.

Find this checkbox, click it, then click the "Save Changes" button at the bottom.


Done many moons ago and confirmed (above) that it was still checked, so apparently that means zero.

Based on what you've said the solicitation contained, I would file a complaint with NHQ about unauthorized disclosure of personal information.  If nobody [censored]es, they'll just keep doing it.

THRAWN

Do I remember reading a rule about using CAP resources to further a private business enterprise, or maybe I dreamed it....

As for a salesman showing up to your meeting, bad form. Want to come to my unit and talk CAP, I'm all ears. Want to come to my unit and try to sell my members some magic beans, tell your tale while you're walking.

I CANNOT believe that this organization is using its membership for junkmail fodder. It's disgusting. I understand the fundraising aspect of being a nonprofit, but there is a line, and this drives right across it.
Strup
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SarDragon

You're getting the solicitation directly from NHQ, so it doesn't really qualify as a 3rd party effort.

I'm going through this with another organization I belong to, and I have mixed feelings on it. On the one hand, it's an annoyance getting the ad in the mail. Conversely, it is essentially free money, and if it's done in-house, with only the mailing house getting the addresses, it's not really a big deal. If done correctly, the advertiser never sees the contact info.

The other organization has a big kerfluffle going on right now, because there's an ad on the back of the membership card, from some insurance outfit. Again, it's free money. I never look at the back, myself, and if someone wants to give us money, in case a few people actually act on the ad, so be it.
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Eclipse

Quote from: THRAWN on May 07, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
Do I remember reading a rule about using CAP resources to further a private business enterprise, or maybe I dreamed it....


It's also pretty hard to receive a letter direct from NHQ, signed by the COO and then disavow any "endorsement" of the offering.

FWIW, they also used the MAJCOM, and if there was ever a place to use the new logo, this would be it.



SunDog

Ah, does sound like CAP is fronting for an insurance company, and gets a cut on sales. So maybe, technically, CAP didn't sell us out; it's coming from CAP.  Assuming they kept control of the mailing list - but knowing CAP IT, that list could be in the wind by now. . .that's why my DOB and some other essentials may not be perfectly accurate on my CAP records.

But wow, that's real cheesy, even by CAP's standards! I kinda expect "front" stuff from AOPA, my credit union, etc. . .I mean, I have a mercantile relationship with them; insurance, AOPA logo credit card offers, that kind of thing.

Cold light of day, I guess CAP is just another vendor, selling memberships, like AOPA or your credit union. I guess we prefer to think of CAP in a different way.  This is "Development" in action, I imagine.

It won't hurt me any to drop it in the shredder, and CAP might make a buck.  But it feels a little sleazy.  And having a sales person show at a meeting isn't going to work for me. Not one bit.  It's heaven-and-earth to find time to get there as it is, and fly, as well.  Am not listening to anymore SAS than I have to. . .

JeffDG

Quote from: Eclipse on May 07, 2014, 08:50:34 pm
Quote from: THRAWN on May 07, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
Do I remember reading a rule about using CAP resources to further a private business enterprise, or maybe I dreamed it....


It's also pretty hard to receive a letter direct from NHQ, signed by the COO and then disavow any "endorsement" of the offering.

FWIW, they also used the MAJCOM, and if there was ever a place to use the new logo, this would be it.


Well, crap...that's just plain dumb.

Hit the "Ask the National Commander" button and see what kind of response you get!

Private Investigator

Just what I needed, another reminder that I am old   8)

dwb

We already have some affiliate deals. The USAA credit card comes to mind. Still, the direct solicitation is really annoying. I guess hard budget times call for "outside the box" fundraising ideas.  :-\

Slim

If they really wanted to offer us something worthwhile, I'd recommend some kind of mental health insurance.

As crazy as this makes us sometimes, they can consider it a return on their investment.....

8)



Slim

SunDog

Quote from: dwb on May 07, 2014, 10:01:01 pm
We already have some affiliate deals. The USAA credit card comes to mind. Still, the direct solicitation is really annoying. I guess hard budget times call for "outside the box" fundraising ideas.  :-\


That's cool, probably valid; I can live with SAS that I can ignore; won't begrudge (too much) the time to open it and shred it.  Someone may be interested, it may even be a good deal.  Just, personally, find it cheesy. . .