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Eclipse
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« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2013, 04:53:03 PM »

Why does it take 3 years to remove a patch?  30 days from approval ought to be plenty.
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Walkman
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« Reply #61 on: December 31, 2013, 04:56:18 PM »

Why does it take 3 years to remove a patch?  30 days from approval ought to be plenty.

Maybe that will tie into the ABU transition?
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A.Member
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« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2013, 04:59:59 PM »

Why does it take 3 years to remove a patch?  30 days from approval ought to be plenty.
Don't know but, in addition to those already mentioned, it seems the ARCHER patch should be retired at this point as well.

Also, clarification is needed on the wear of a unit patch on the right shoulder of the USAF-style flight suit.  The statement at the end of 8.2.4.5 seems to be in conflict with Attachment 4 it references: 

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8.2.4.5 Right Sleeve. An authorized patch contained as outlined in Attachment 4 regulation may be worn, except organizational patches for groups, squadrons or flights are not approved for wear.

Attachment 4 indicates allow of unit patches on the right sleeve of the flight suit.

Allowing for wear of the unit patch makes complete sense but clarification between the two is needed.
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Panache
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« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2013, 05:01:38 PM »

5.2.1.3.1.1 - "When wearing the blue BDU cap, officers will wear metal, or embroidered rank insignia on dark blue cloth, centered ½ inch above the visor. "
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6.2.12.2 - "Officers will center rank on the front of the [blue BDU] cap.  Officers and cadet officers will wear embroidered grade insignia on dark blue material."   

These two sections seem to contradict each other slightly, in so much that 5.2.1.3.1.1 said SM officers can wear metal pin-on rank insignia on the Blue BDU cap, and 6.2.12.2 implies they can't.

For the record, this is a non-issue for me personally, since I'm in PAWG.  Orange ballcaps for everyone!
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ranviper
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« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2013, 05:07:05 PM »

Blue BDU - Black undershirt now required.

And the photo shows a white shirt...

None of the photos are final yet. It will probably be replaced.
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NIN
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« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2013, 05:12:23 PM »

I got the impression that the photos were like the credits at the beginning of Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Completed at great expense, and at the last minute. ;)
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« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2013, 05:14:09 PM »

I got the impression that the photos were like the credits at the beginning of Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Completed at great expense, and at the last minute. ;)

But where are the llamas?
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NIN
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« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2013, 05:15:27 PM »

I got the impression that the photos were like the credits at the beginning of Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Completed at great expense, and at the last minute. ;)

But where are the llamas?

With the møøse
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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2013, 05:16:10 PM »

Any guesses how long this thread will end up being?

My guess is 22 pages.

By tomorrow at noon
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Eclipse
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« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2013, 05:22:46 PM »

The lighting on the "new" photos is terrible, as expected when yo take pictures in a banquet hall.
Sigh. totally called it. Yellow hotel lighting just sucks. The blue is almost black. Cutting off heads is a good idea, puts the focus on what's supposed to be there.

Wow - I will accept that it's nit-picking since the they indicate in two different places the photos are being worked on,
but seriously, what they have is just terrible.

Bad posture, crooked insignia, crooked nametags,  inconsistent hand position, ill-fitting uniforms or without proper shirt under the jacket,
improperly placed insignia, bad gig lines, blurry.

Again, understood these are not the finals, and probably why they aren't done, but all of this needs to be addressed.

And this whole issue is completely unnecessary if they would use diagrams instead of photos.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2013, 05:27:32 PM »

Hydro packs, canteen belts, and similar prohibited from dress uniforms - pretty common at most encampments.

Patches done after approval have to meet USAF guidelines.

Guard ribbons not authorized.
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BillB
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« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2013, 05:29:08 PM »

Since tomorrow is a holiday, does that mean the Draft ICL won't be out till Thursday

OK people that's a joke, don't flame me for it.
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« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2013, 05:30:54 PM »

Check out the section on headgear. States the Blue Beret should be worn with appropriate device UNLESS earned at Blue Beret, when it will be worn with Blue Beret patch. But, they are not listing this as a change or describing what uniforms it can be worn with. Why would anyone be wearing a Blue Beret who hasn't gone to blue beret???
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Eclipse
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« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2013, 05:32:58 PM »

You can call the blazer anything you like, but it's not a "service uniform".
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Eclipse
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« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2013, 05:35:57 PM »

Why would anyone be wearing a Blue Beret who hasn't gone to blue beret???

We've got wings who think it's a good idea to wear a beret for GTMs.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #75 on: December 31, 2013, 05:47:34 PM »

MBU still required for all members, short sleeve blues or aviator whites for all seniors.

Still the prohibition regarding mandating anything but blues for cadets unless issued.

Canonizes NESA MAS flight uniform (shorts).

HMRS grads can wear grade insignia on orange ball cap (why?).

Specifies white cord for NCC competition teams or acting as CG.

Still can't use bayonets (darn).
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Eclipse
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« Reply #76 on: December 31, 2013, 05:52:02 PM »

Have to submit respective orders for military aviation badges (not just "I said so.")

Cadets can now short-stack to their highest achievement.
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« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2013, 05:56:54 PM »

Looks like Sq CCs can't establish unit caps either.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2013, 06:00:33 PM »

Unit and Group CC badges still contain the incorrect MAJCOM and the HAP Arnold wings
which are no longer approved for CAP use.

Hopefully the aircrew wings are a "work in progress" "AC" in the center is kind of a Navy thing.
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« Reply #79 on: December 31, 2013, 06:01:08 PM »

"Cadets can now short-stack to their highest achievement"

Good thing, dang kids have more ribbons than the old guy.   

Just kidding, just kidding   ;D
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