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Started by DMinick, December 01, 2013, 08:00:34 PM

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SARDOC

Quote from: Alaric on December 02, 2013, 12:59:55 PM
I called National on this and their suggestion was to give the correct answers (not the answers supplied) and grade the entire test.  At some point next year an upgraded test will be available online.

The point of having the answers to the test was so that the test could be graded by the unit commander/testing officer, who possibly know very little about the Personnel Specialty.  Now, the person grading the test will need to be just as well versed as the person taking the test.  How many will mark questions correctly even though they've been changed in the regulation...because that's the way they've always done it.  Making the same assumption that the test taker made incorrectly.   

Since the documents have changed that a personnel officer should be familiar with, the learning objectives have also changed.   This is why in the other thread I mentioned that in lieu of a test there should be a discussion concerning the personnel matters...Convincing the approving authority that you meet the intended requirements for the Senior personnel rating.

SamFranklin


QuoteTask and EMPOWER a committee of the Region PDOs to fix it

Eclipse wrote that yesterday in the nonrenewal thread. He's absolutely right, and I think it applies to this discussion, too.

I wonder if a lack of empowerment is part of the problem.

Do the naitonal staff officers have authority to be aggressive, get in there, update old info, clarify sections that are frequently misinterpreted, etc.? I notice on the AF publications, the approving authority is usually a DCS. Does CAP even empower the national staff or is authority to update materials centrally controlled by the national commander or CSAG or BOG or employees?

Maybe on some of the biggest pubs like 60-1 and 39-1 only the senior leaders should be empowered to approve changes but in this instance, aren't we talking about a specialty track guide? If the DP or PD officer isn't authorized to publish changes on his own authority, well, shame on the system or the command staff for not empowering the functional experts. (Someone call Tom Peters!)


FW

There should not be a problem for staff to author, make changes, and approve CAPP's.  They are not regulatory, and only serve as educational tools.  IMHO, having the National Commander (who is, basically, the ultimate authority on regulations, etc.) make taskings, review, and approve these types of publications, is a poor use of time.  Oversight is one thing, forced micro management is another.

In a more perfect world, the use of technology (anyone ever hear of "Word 365") would be used for; say region PDO's to "meet" with the National PDO and DCS Support to deal with this...

YMMV... ::)

a2capt

Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 03:35:54 PM(anyone ever hear of "Word 365")
Great, something else that costs money. There's free alternatives. Google Docs, private wikimedia installation ..

FW

Quote from: a2capt on December 05, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 03:35:54 PM(anyone ever hear of "Word 365")
Great, something else that costs money. There's free alternatives. Google Docs, private wikimedia installation ..

And they call me cheap... :P ;D
Yes!... by all means, use the free alternatives!! 8)

SarDragon

Quote from: SARDOC on December 05, 2013, 02:07:58 PM
The point of having the answers to the test was so that the test could be graded by the unit commander/testing officer, who possibly know very little about the Personnel Specialty.  Now, the person grading the test will need to be just as well versed as the person taking the test.  How many will mark questions correctly even though they've been changed in the regulation...because that's the way they've always done it.  Making the same assumption that the test taker made incorrectly.
When I did my test, knowing that things had changed, I included the reference along with the answer, so my CC could see where I got the new answer from. This ain't rocket surgery.

Is it more time consuming? Of course. It it a good learning experience? Sure, as long as everyone's on the same page. Instead of whining about how screwed up things are, take a little initiative, "do whatcha gotta do" and use the pamphlet and test in a positive manner to learn something.
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Eclipse

Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: a2capt on December 05, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 03:35:54 PM(anyone ever hear of "Word 365")
Great, something else that costs money. There's free alternatives. Google Docs, private wikimedia installation ..

And they call me cheap... :P ;D
Yes!... by all means, use the free alternatives!! 8)

It's not just being "cheap", it's that as soon as you suggest anything that has a cost attached, that's an automatic
"out" for people to reach for if they just don't want to do it. I've used it myself this week.

In this case, NHQ, as well as an increasing number of wings, already have the infrastructure in place to do this
without any extra effort.

There's also the issue of Office 365 being an abomination before the Lord, but that's a tangential conversation.

"That Others May Zoom"

FW

Quote from: Eclipse on December 06, 2013, 12:11:36 AM
Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 05:21:49 PM
Quote from: a2capt on December 05, 2013, 05:02:11 PM
Quote from: FW on December 05, 2013, 03:35:54 PM(anyone ever hear of "Word 365")
Great, something else that costs money. There's free alternatives. Google Docs, private wikimedia installation ..

And they call me cheap... :P ;D
Yes!... by all means, use the free alternatives!! 8)

In this case, NHQ, as well as an increasing number of wings, already have the infrastructure in place to do this
without any extra effort.
So true.  At this point in time, there really isn't a good reason for "teams" to get the job done in a reasonable time frame.  Scores of potential volunteers are most willing to do it, however I think it may be difficult for some to "let go" of their authority.  Sad...