Former National Capitol Wing Master Sergeant

Started by hhbooker2, May 01, 2013, 09:12:10 PM

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hhbooker2

Greetings & Salutations! Was a member of the National Capitol Wing at Bolling AFB and was then a Master Sergeant and later after I left, the C.A.P. discontinued both Warrant Officer and enlisted ranks, the lowest rank was Senior Member, however I recall there being in the regulations a paragraph saying former enlisted ranked persons could regain and hold their highest grade as an N.C.O., or former U.S.A.F. enlisted could also ask to hold their enlisted ranks too, not sure of ever seeing anyone wearing anything other than Second Lieutenant's golden bar? Just wondered? Maybe they'll restore enlisted ranks down the road? Thanks from Sarge (Herbert Booker) of Florida.  :)
Herbert Booker

Storm Chaser

The following requirements need to be met in order to qualify for an NCO grade appointment:

Quote from: CAPR 35-5, 27 Dec 2012, Section 6-2
a.  Only those CAP members who are military or ex-military NCOs and do not wish to be considered for CAP officer grades may be appointed to a CAP NCO grade under provisions of this section. The CAP grade granted will be equivalent to the grade held in the active duty military, Reserve or National Guard.

b.  The member must also have completed Level I of the Senior Member Professional Development Program.

Are you a retired or former Air Force Master Sergeant or E-7 equivalent from another branch of the Armed Forces? If you are, then all you need to do is submit a copy of your DD Form 214, military ID or promotion order as appropriate, and once that is verified and you complete Level I, you would qualify for that rank. You will, however, not get promoted any further since CAP does not have at the moment an NCO program.

Storm Chaser

You could also ask for grade reinstatement if you have supporting documentation.

Quote from: CAPR 35-5, 27 Dec 2012
3-8. Former Members.  A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable senior member professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.

Майор Хаткевич


Major Carrales

Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph?  If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.
"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

Pylon

Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph?  If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.


Joe, the coincidences seem to indicate that's pretty likely.  The gentleman pictured is a CAP MSgt from National Capitol Wing with the nameplate Booker, as is the original poster. 


MSgt, you should be proud that photograph of you (if it is, indeed, you) has been circulated around for some time.  I remember seeing that as a cadet.
Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

PHall

Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph?  If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.

You just like the picture because he's wearing his Service Cap! >:D

Major Carrales

Quote from: PHall on May 02, 2013, 12:57:56 AM
Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph?  If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.

You just like the picture because he's wearing his Service Cap! >:D

;D
"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

Stonewall

#8
As an Air Force Master Sergeant and 15 year member of National Capital Wing, I feel it is my duty to grow my sideburns to the standard set forth by MSgt Booker.  It's just the right thing to do.

Thinks to myself:  [darn] I was born a generation or two too late.

Edit to add:

Quote from: hhbooker2 on April 29, 2013, 11:14:55 PM
Thank you one and all! Respectfully yours, Sarge (Herbert Booker of Palm Coast, Florida)  ;D

Sir, I live in Jacksonville and would love to buy you a beverage of your choice.  I always stop at the Sonny's BBQ place when I'm in your neck of the woods.
Colonel, CAP (Ret)
1987-1992 (Cadet)
1992-2025 (Senior)

Майор Хаткевич

As a note, I posted the picture based on the grade and wing stated. Didn't even notice the nameplate. If this is in fact THAT MSgt... Awesome.

NIN

Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 02, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
As a note, I posted the picture based on the grade and wing stated. Didn't even notice the nameplate. If this is in fact THAT MSgt... Awesome.

I gotta admit: this thread is so full of win.

Darin Ninness, Col, CAP
Wing Dude, National Bubba
I like to have Difficult Adult Conversations™
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J2H

SSgt Jeffrey Hughes, Squadron NCO
Glenn L. Martin Composite Squadron MD-031
#217169

Pylon

Quote from: J2H on May 02, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
That's an odd MSGT  rank

Senior NCO chevrons (MSgt, SMSgt, and CMSgt) were different for the Air Force and CAP prior to 1991 and CSAF General McPeak.  They had one less stripe up top, one more on the bottom.
Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP

J2H

SSgt Jeffrey Hughes, Squadron NCO
Glenn L. Martin Composite Squadron MD-031
#217169

hhbooker2

Greetings & Salutations! On my website, Booker's Free Web Library, https://picasaweb.google.com/booker1942 I show all of the Air Force chevrons dating back to when they were under the Army Signal Corps in 1914. During the First World War they wore a winged propellor centered below their chevrons as well as a Master Electrician chevrons which had an open wreath below the winged prop and a star above it. In 1920 they P.X. they sold unauthorized chevrons with the winged prop through to 1948, I believe until the Berlin Airlift? LTC William K. Emerson's book "CHEVRONS" shows their history as well, you can also find many e-books on uniforms and insignia that include the Air Service, the Army Air Corps and the Army Air Forces at www.archive.org and at www.scribd.com too! Yes, Master Sergeant wore six chevrons, now five below and one inverted "V" above! A.S.M.I.C. Trading Post carried an article on the new USAF ranks for Airmen and Sergeants. My website has over 3,300 albums and you can download whatever you want and use it however you wish! As a type II diabetic, have to be cautious of what I consume in beverages, maybe could do with a Diet Coca Cola! I've got a lot of books to scan daily, so watch the website expand each day. I have Navy and Marine Corps uniform regulations dating to 1841 to 1941 and working on U.S.A.F. regs too, from the Airman's Guide. Lots of pictures (scans) of Squadron Insignia too from WW2  Sarge (Herbert Booker)
Herbert Booker

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Flying Pig

If that is him then we have a legend on our hands gents.... that picture is legendary and has been floating around CAP for decades.

a2capt

Quote from: Flying Pig on May 03, 2013, 04:17:44 AMIf that is him then we have a legend on our hands gents.... that picture is legendary and has been floating around CAP for decades.
Sort of like your name plate .. when you went back to the unit.

Well, okay, not quite. But.. :)

GroundHawg

Oh its him! His profile pic on the link provided matches up, rocking the old school khaki with Infantry Cord! LEGENDARY!!!

ColonelJack

I went to his Picasa site ... if the pictures posted there that are identified as "Profile" are of him, then it's him in the classic CAP MSgt photo.

Welcome, MSgt Booker!  You indeed are an icon!

Jack
Jack Bagley, Ed. D.
Lt. Col., CAP (now inactive)
Gill Robb Wilson Award No. 1366, 29 Nov 1991
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
Honorary Admiral, Navy of the Republic of Molossia