How Long to Process Transfer Active to Patron Status

Started by old141pilot, December 06, 2012, 08:56:52 AM

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old141pilot

I applied to be transferred from Active status to Patron status the beginning of September 2012.  I was removed from my squadron duty positions the beginning of October 2012.  So I assume that the squadron approved the request in at that time.  According to eServices, I am still fully qualified and an active member of the squadron.  I have been maintaing monthly safety currency so the squadron will not get their knuckles rapped during the next SUI.  It seems like my transfer to Patron status should have been accomplished by now.  Any idea how long this typically takes?  Thanks.

SARDOC

Once I submit the form directly to National Headquarters...it usually takes between 24-48 hours.  It's usually just whenever someone at National Headquarters checks their email.

SaBeR33

Can I piggyback on your post, quietbirdman? I'm considering transferring to patron status simply because I don't have time to be that active anymore with both school and work requirements, as well as doing so at my Deputy Commander for Senior's request because I haven't been active in so long. However, neither the DCS nor my squadron's PD officer seems to know whether or not I would lose my technician rating in any of the specialty tracks that I've already been awarded or if the clock on either/or my time-in-grade (TIG) and time-in-service (TIS) would halt once my status is changed. Mind you I'm not exactly concerned about being promoted anytime soon, so that really isn't a concern, but it would be nice to know. Does anyone here have an answer to my questions concerning ratings, and TIG or TIS?

Luis R. Ramos

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Anything you have achieved such as Level I, Level II, Technician or Senior on study tracks will still be available if you transfer back from Patron to active. Not so on the grade. You lose this and will have to go back on TIG anew.

I am still a 1st Lt despite 12 years in CAP. Because of my breaks, my TIG goes back to 0.

Joined 1985-1987. Made First Lt.

Break 1987-1996.

Re-joined 1996-2004. Started again as SM, made 1st Lt, could not finish Level II because of ECI 13.

Break 2004-2011.

Re-joined 2011. Started again as SM, when I passed Officer Basic Course I still was not able to get Captain because the "powers that be" decided I had to start TIG at 0. That means, I have been a 1st Lt for about four or five years. And I have seen on this board a few experienced members state so, that they would not accept TIG on a previous grade if that person had a break in service using different words.

Members which I processed as Personnel Officer are now Colonels and Lt Colonels. So are members I served with as a Lieutenant.

It is a case of deja vu finding old documents I signed while working for the previous squadron and Group.

TIS may be accepted by your new commander but he is not obligated to. In other words, it is a chance you take. In my case, the squadron commander when I re-joined knew me when I was an Lt before.

It is embarrassing, a bit.

What is worse, is that all my ES qualifications expired. Which I am taking care off, little by little. I have MSA and MRO now, and pretty soon I will be trainee for both GTM3 and UDF.

Despite the 10 missions and 15 SAREX and other training done 1997-2004. The Find, and Sept 11 work. Not worth now for my ES quals...

Flyer
Squadron Safety Officer
Squadron Communication Officer
Squadron Emergency Services Officer

ßτε

The above post is incorrect about losing your grade when you come back to active status from reserve/patron status. Your grade, date of grade, and date of service are maintained in your eServices record. You do not lose any of them. This is one of the advantages to changing to reserve/patron status as opposed to letting your membership lapse. Once you return to active status, it will be difficult to tell from your eServices record that you were even a reserve/patron status member.

ES quals will expire while your are on reserve/patron status.

Luis R. Ramos

If you are referring to my post, it is correct.

You do not come at the grade you had if the break is more than two years. You come as Senior Member, per regulations. You can request reinstatement of grade, but it is not automatic. It is at the commanders pleasure. Otherwise I would have made Captain by now.

Reread the regulations regarding senior members.

Flyer
Squadron Safety Officer
Squadron Communication Officer
Squadron Emergency Services Officer

arajca

If you can document TIS, they should accept it, at least for the RSR. Now, how to document it...

PAs are good, as are membership cards. National MAY have your information on file as well. We had a gentleman rejoin after ten years off and National gave him back his old CAPID and upload all the records they had for him.

ES quals expire after three years, so no joy there.

Al Sayre

Good reason to keep your own copy of your service record...
Lt Col Al Sayre
MS Wing Staff Dude
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
GRW #2787

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Quote from: flyer333555 on December 15, 2012, 09:20:45 PM
If you are referring to my post, it is correct.

You do not come at the grade you had if the break is more than two years. You come as Senior Member, per regulations. You can request reinstatement of grade, but it is not automatic. It is at the commanders pleasure.

Reread the regulations regarding senior members.

Flyer
But there is no break in membership during reserve/patron status. Your situation is different than what was asked. You let your membership lapse and did not transfer to reserve/patron status.

Eclipse

Patron membership freezes grade at the time of transfer.  No reinstatement of grade is necessary, since it is never removed.

Patron members still appear as "members" in the unit's lists, they are just limited as per expectations and participation.

No decorations, grade, PD levels, or similar, are lost when someone goes to Patron status.


"That Others May Zoom"

Luis R. Ramos

Chomp, chomp.

That is the sound of me eating my words.

I agree with the posts after my initial post.

Grade should not be lost as mine was. You continue being a member in the Patron status, you should not lose your grade nor your study track achievements. Be sure you document them in paper.

However any ES qualifications will expire.

Flyer
Squadron Safety Officer
Squadron Communication Officer
Squadron Emergency Services Officer

Camas

Quote from: flyer333555 on December 15, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
Anything you have achieved such as Level I, Level II, Technician or Senior on study tracks will still be available if you transfer back from Patron to active. Not so on the grade. You lose this and will have to go back on TIG anew.
You retain the last grade held prior to entering patron status. Re: CAPR39-2 Para 3-1b(1)(d)

Sapper168

And chances are the same edition of uniform manual you used before your patron status will still be in use when you become active again  :angel: 8) :P .....
Shane E Guernsey, TSgt, CAP
CAP Squadron ESO... "Who did what now?"
CAP Squadron NCO Advisor... "Where is the coffee located?"
US Army 12B... "Sappers Lead the Way!"
US Army Reserve 71L-f5... "Going Postal!"

a2capt

Yup, Patron status is almost like Han Solo in carbonite.

SaBeR33

Thanks for all of the responses!  :clap: Why no one at my squadron could answer theses questions--or sought out the answers to provide to me within a reasonable amount of time--doesn't give me a great deal of confidence in knowing they're looking out for their members. :(

EMT-83

Well, you could have looked it up yourself. It's not like you need to know a secret handshake or something in order to read the regulations or check the Knowledgebase.

SaBeR33

Quote from: EMT-83 on December 16, 2012, 03:46:04 AM
Well, you could have looked it up yourself. It's not like you need to know a secret handshake or something in order to read the regulations or check the Knowledgebase.

Yeah, I know. But that sounds too much like work--something I have enough of these days to keep me busier than I care to be. :P

Luis R. Ramos

I am sorry for restating the obvious.

No one at your squadron knew the answers, because they have the same attitude you just showed when you answered last message.

QuoteBut that sounds too much like work...

They are appointed to the position, and everyone states that learning their jobs "sounds too much like work" so no one learns what is it they are supposed to know.

Flyer
Squadron Safety Officer
Squadron Communication Officer
Squadron Emergency Services Officer

a2capt

..which borks me something fierce. "Because XXX said .. ". I read the regulations. It's not hard. There's a pretty simple file plan for it.

I will say, I find that most of these answers seem to originate from the older members who are pre-information age and "search and replace" means unscrewing the threads on the big binder and flipping pages.

Once you get past a little learning curve of lingo, it's pretty darn easy to use modern convinces to search that data for what you need. Google searching just capmembers.com even, will get you excellent results. Or keep the files all locally (you should be doing that anyway) and using the search/indexing features of your own computer. All the modern OS environments have something.

SaBeR33

Quote from: flyer333555 on December 16, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
I am sorry for restating the obvious.

No one at your squadron knew the answers, because they have the same attitude you just showed when you answered last message.

QuoteBut that sounds too much like work...

They are appointed to the position, and everyone states that learning their jobs "sounds too much like work" so no one learns what is it they are supposed to know.

Flyer

I guess I forgot to include the sarcasm disclaimer with my post so you understood where I was coming from not to mention what I wrote in my post that was previous to the one you quoted. Since it was someone within my squadron's CoC who suggested I transfer to patron status (who was about to submit the request in eServices prior to my consent) that person should have already had a basic idea of what transferring would do to my future progression within CAP or at least have gotten back to me with an answer. That was six months ago and I still haven't received an answer from this person. And yes, I'm quite capable of checking the regulations, but most of us know from prior experiences the regs aren't always written in the most unambiguous manner. Since we have many experienced members here who know the regs very well I figured I could get an answer quicker by piggybacking on another member's question that pertained to the same general question. And for the record, when I was active in cadet programs, if I didn't know the answer I would do the best I could to get the correct answer ASAP using whatever resources were available.