Honor Guard uniform

[SARguyFVCS]

Hey guys I have been looking through CAPP 52-8 and could not find a complete detailed list of the uniform combonations i.e. Class A uniform. If somebody could provide a list of the items included. also if majority of the cadets interested have only the old style jacket can our team's jacketbe the old style jacket or does everybody NEED to buy the new style officer's jacket? Help is much apprieciated. Thank you.

[Extremepredjudice]

Everyone needs the same style jacket. It is up to you

See chapter 3 of 39-1, it covers honor guard.

When I get to a computer, I will post my spreadsheet with items+prices.

[spaatzmom]

While it is preferred that all members are in the same style jacket, it is not required.  What is required is that the jacket used is the same material and color as the pants, as in the individual cadet cannot wear old style jacket and new color style pants or new style jacket and old style color pants.

[okeecap]

With cadets either jacket is fine, but they need to match.  You will need the service covers with the cadet emblem.  The silver shoulder cord, the white ascot, and the ascot patch.  The service cover will also need the chin strap.  I would advise though not mandatory to get taps to put on the shoes as it makes them sound sharp.

[Eclipse]

Unless the unit is paying for a new pair exclusively for Honor Guard use, don't ruin them with taps. Nothing is more "fun" then trying to
explain to a cadet who is on an Honor Guard that he can't wear those !@#$% things to regular meetings.   They become the berets of the HG.

Also, do not buy anything until you've actually got an HG and they have trained for several months.  Too many CC's spend the money and then find their shiny stuff in a box, never to be opened.

[abdsp51]

Uh taps no, next thing you know they will be imitating Gunny Hartman and not to mention those who can't pick up their feet....

[SARguyFVCS]

Thank you everybody for the information!

[HGjunkie]

Uh taps no, next thing you know they will be imitating Gunny Hartman and not to mention those who can't pick up their feet....

They *are* regulation.

[Eclipse]

Allowed? Yes. Required / good idea? No.

[abdsp51]

Uh taps no, next thing you know they will be imitating Gunny Hartman and not to mention those who can't pick up their feet....

They *are* regulation.

Simply because they are regulation does not mean they are a good idea.  And honestly with how fast most kids grow these days it's a waste of money.

[spaatzmom]

Not only are they a bad idea, they make the shoes incredibly slippery on any surface.  Very embarrassing when one or more members are seen picking themselves up off the floor/ground during a performance. 

A bigger problem is that they are very hard to find and because of that expensive.  In 2009, the only source of them that NHGA could find told them they were not going to make them any more.  I do not know if they found another source since then.

[HGjunkie]

I don't know why they're so hard to find, but I digress.

I don't believe smaller cadets or those new to HG should have them, but there are tricks you can use for walking which makes it easy to wear taps on those slippery surfaces.

[Eclipse]

Unless you're putting on a dance presentation to fund your uniforms, shoe taps are 100% unnecessary in CAP, especially so for
the average member not attending the HGA.

The reason they are used is to slow the wear of expensive shoes from the repetitive stress of drill movements, or extend the life
of shoes / boots in general.  For training instructors, they have been used traditionally to provide a loud cadence to those learning
to march in step.  They are also potentially hazardous to wear in the normal course of CAP activities.

No CAP cadet, especially one not going to HGA, is ever going to wear out anything but their leaders' patience in the normal course
of a unit HG. 

If HGA thinks they are necessary because it's all part of the "deal", so be it, but they should not be worn for anything but HG duty,
and cadets learning the ropes of HG at a unit-level do not need them.

[abdsp51]

If HGA thinks they are necessary because it's all part of the "deal", so be it, but they should not be worn for anything but HG duty,
and cadets learning the ropes of HG at a unit-level do not need them.

I agree....

[spaatzmom]

If HGA thinks they are necessary because it's all part of the "deal", so be it, but they should not be worn for anything but HG duty,
and cadets learning the ropes of HG at a unit-level do not need them.

HGA does not think they are necessary, and only says they are optional.  It is the cadet that determines if they want them. 

Personally, I don't think taps should be even offered and can understand using cheaters on the inside sides of the shoe to help prevent scuffing of the shoe itself, but that is all.

[Tim Medeiros]

It should be noted that even HGA tells cadets (at least when I went there a few times) "do NOT wear taps/cheaters on your 'regular' CAP low quarters"