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Seriously, what's the point?

Started by Htiger, October 29, 2012, 02:12:50 AM

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Майор Хаткевич

OP hasn't been back since his post...

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Flying Pig

Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 30, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
OP hasn't been back since his post...

Good Grief......  Cut the guy some slack.  He only posted it 2 days ago.

Eclipse

Quote from: Flying Pig on October 30, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
Good Grief......  Cut the guy some slack.  He only posted it 2 days ago.

2 days ago Atlantic City was a gambling town, now it's a water park.

"That Others May Zoom"

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Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 30, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
OP hasn't been back since his post...

Some people have a life outside of Captalk.
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BigShu

Quote from: RogueLeader on October 31, 2012, 12:50:38 AM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 30, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
OP hasn't been back since his post...

Some people have a life outside of Captalk.

That's funny! You were being funny, yes?

RogueLeader

Quote from: BigShu on October 31, 2012, 02:01:41 AM
Quote from: RogueLeader on October 31, 2012, 12:50:38 AM
Quote from: usafaux2004 on October 30, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
OP hasn't been back since his post...

Some people have a life outside of Captalk.
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That's funny! You were being funny, yes?

Who, me???   :angel:
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Quote from: Eclipse on October 30, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: Flying Pig on October 30, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
Good Grief......  Cut the guy some slack.  He only posted it 2 days ago.

2 days ago Atlantic City was a gambling town, now it's a water park.

ROFLMAO   :clap:

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Quote from: Htiger on October 29, 2012, 02:12:50 AM
Greetings, all.  Very nice forum.  I am a new senior member (less than a year active) and having a place to come and talk and learn is great!

To my question...what's the point?  I joined and my earlier CAP experience as a cadet many years ago resulted in my rank being a 1Lt.  Ok.  Fair enough.

Since, I have become a mission pilot, taken over a specialty no one else wanted (and I don't like doing but it has to get done), taken on an additional specialty, attended several SAREX's, etc., etc., etc.  And, I also learned that one's "age, life experience, education and leadership," (paraphrasing), should be considered when awarding rank.  I have run businesses for over twenty years, have a graduate degree from an Ivy school, and bring some other assets that are ignored or unused by CAP.  No one even asked me about that sort of stuff.

That said, I've seen a parade of guys join our squadron and go from SM to Lt. Col.  I check their training records, etc., and they have less than do I.  Most are sort of dumpy (frankly) and can't even wear the CAP uniform--and don't seem to want to do so to set an example for our cadets.  Many are ANG or Reserve guys or retirees who are--speaking candidly here--looking to be a part of something and coast.  Their energetic days are behind them.  But, since they were in a military of some sort that seem to leap forward in rank (even knowing nothing about CAP).

I am being pushed to spend my weekends going to SLS and various other schools.  Looking at the time-in-rank requirements and I can't see major until my mid-60's.  I am doing what I joined to do--fly missions--so I am struggling with why I'd want to invest my time and effort to achieve something others seem to get handed to them. 

I guess you can tell that I am frustrated.  But I see opportunities for our squadron that, candidly, those in our leadership positions can't.  No imagination.  No effort.  No leadership other than sporting their rank and swaggering around at meetings.  Do any of you share my dilemma?  Is it best to just ignore what can be and enjoy the flying?  I do deeply value and appreciate CAP's mission.  Is there any value, really, in pursuing rank and leadership positions?

Seriously.

And thanks for your thoughts.

OK, I get that you're frustrated. Sour grapes aside, your progression in this organization is based on what you bring to the table, your own dedication, perserverence and determination, and you're mixing apples with oranges.

OK, so your a pilot and a former cadet; that's great. You didn't say what the qualifications were of the others who joined at higher ranks or the value of what they bring to the organization.

Your cadet achievements are commendable. I envy your attainment of pilot credentials because that has been something I've never been able to achieve -- I sit in the right seat and that's fine. However, if you want to be promoted, do what is required and make your presence known. I guarantee that you will be noticed.

The road before you in this organiation can be hard. Make your progression; the achievement of rank meaningful.

I speak from experience. I'm as high as I will ever get (I don't anticipate ever being elected to CAP office). I remember a time when I felt the same way -- I actually spent 11 years as a first lieutenant -- but I finally made it. In between has been all the training you complained about, lots of hours, dollars and miles on my car, several squadron and group staff assignments, a group command assignment, and now wing staff.

I commend you for your service, but no goal that is worth achieving is going to be easy. The road is long and hard before you. Are you up to the task before you.

JC004

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