CAP USAF Reorganization AF Reserve Replacement Staffing?

[RADIOMAN015]

Awhile back was talking with someone in the know in the Air Force and one of the staffing issue changes being explored is the use of Air Force Reserve personnel to staff the CAP-USAF region (and like headquarters) positions.  Likely these would be special tours of active duty.     CAP-USAF historically has successfully utilized reservists in CAP.

Haven't seen much updated news on the CAP website regarding the transition planning.

Anyone know if the AF Reserve staffing is moving forward
RM     

[sarmed1]

I would lean more towards IMA's or even traditional reservists personally

mk

[Eclipse]

Awhile back was talking with someone in the know in the Air Force and one of the staffing issue changes being explored is the use of Air Force Reserve personnel to staff the CAP-USAF region (and like headquarters) positions.  Likely these would be special tours of active duty.     CAP-USAF historically has successfully utilized reservists in CAP.

You're suggesting that a program being reduced because of budgetary issues will then increase its budget to assign reservists to back-fill RIF'ed jobs?

The majority of the duties performed by RIF'ed personnel will be moved back to the volunteers, or simply eliminated as a requirement.  As part of the
reorganization the RAP program is being reduced as down as well.

[RADIOMAN015]

Awhile back was talking with someone in the know in the Air Force and one of the staffing issue changes being explored is the use of Air Force Reserve personnel to staff the CAP-USAF region (and like headquarters) positions.  Likely these would be special tours of active duty.     CAP-USAF historically has successfully utilized reservists in CAP.

You're suggesting that a program being reduced because of budgetary issues will then increase its budget to assign  reservists to back-fill RIF'ed jobs?

The majority of the duties performed by RIF'ed personnel will be moved back to the volunteers, or simply eliminated as a requirement.  As part of the
reorganization the RAP program is being reduced as down as well.

No the plan being studied is that active duty AF military personnel now at the Region level (CAP-USAF Detachment level) will be replaced by reserve personnel, likely on a special tour of active duty.   Ideally, the reservist would be living in the commute area of where the detachments offices are currently located, but I would guess that it could be brought onto Air Force Reserve bases if one is in the area.    Also this might cut down on personnel movement costs if there's a pool of qualified reservists in the commute area.

For the "points only" reservists, I would assume that this is also a budget item that is controlled (e.g. just because you want to be a points only reservist you may not be able to get a slot), since eventually they are going to earn actual military retirement pay. 
   
RM

[Eclipse]

Studied by whom?

[PHall]

A Reservist on a Special Tour of Active Duty costs exactly the same as an Active Duty member would.
There would be no cost savings...

But what do I know, I only retired from the Reserve after 31-1/2 years...

[FW]

CAP-USAF reorganization plans are completed. The Region Liason Offices will basically remain the same however, state level positions have been eliminated. Thanks to tremendous self oversight, the Air Force has agreed to let CAP volunteers serve as "Wing Coordinators". As of 1 September, these coordinators will assume many of the functions of State Dircectors  with certain exceptions. Region Liason Offices will do more with less. It will be interesting to see how we handle it. CAP should get all the information and requirements by the NB meeting next month.

This coming conference will be the most important CAP meeting in the last 10 years. I am eager to find out what the organization's future structure will look.

[sarmed1]

state level positions have been eliminated.

This doesnt really suprise me much, even being on the "inside" I am not sure what an SD does all day to make up a 40 hour work week.  Region level management seems to be more than adequate.  I am not sold per say on the "Wing Coordinators"  I would have to see the job description.  The bonus to the SD being the AF rep was that they kept that distanced perspective and looked at what was in everyones best interest (specifically the AF's)  there were no old boy, political ties, no "personal" interest in approvals and "coordinatioj" .  Conversly when I was the Sq/CC on an AD base with frequent interatction with the AD folks I couldnt grasp why I need the state LO officer 2 hours away, who didnt know anyone on my base per say, to intervene on my behalf to talk to the AD element to coordinate support for services, tours, billiting etc etc.  So I too am interested to see how this works out.

mk

[RADIOMAN015]

A Reservist on a Special Tour of Active Duty costs exactly the same as an Active Duty member would.
There would be no cost savings...

But what do I know, I only retired from the Reserve after 31-1/2 years...

Actually what was said is that "they" were looking at AF Reservists to staff CAP-USAF in lieu of the current AF (active duty) personnel (and it definitely included the regional, detachment levels).   Now whether this is a mix of traditional reservists, air reserve technicians, or reservists on special tor of active duty, was not disclosed.

I don't that Civil Air Patrol Inc has any say in the management/staffing of CAP-USAF or its' detachments anyways.  We shall see in the future years what other changes occur on the USAF organization side .
RM 

[BrannG]

What I know so far on this is this:

Phase in on this staffing change began in May 2012 and should be complete by September 2012. Reservists are Category E and Regular Ready-Reservists. RR will be utilized on command level for CAP-USAF / CAP-HQ at Maxwell AFB, AL. Cat E will utilize positions at Regional and Wing levels. They are condensing the staff needs to better fit the CAP-USAF budget, but placing two "Liaison Officers" per Region to support the CAP-USAF oversight requirements, thus allowing CAP-HQ to open more positions inside the corporate level. The idea is that it is cheaper for CAP-HQ to handle corporate payroll / volunteers then it is for the USAF to continue the oversight rate of a Liaison Officer per Wing, and per Region not to mention the full staff at CAP-USAF.

There is a pdf done that explains this better, and can be found here : http://www.capmembers.com/media/cms/CAPUSAF_ReOrg_Committee_Final_59_Ma_35D2D0053A61A.pdf

[Turk]

This coming conference will be the most important CAP meeting in the last 10 years. I am eager to find out what the organization's future structure will look.

As are we all. Indeed, this August gathering will be CAP's most significant redefining moment in decades. 

[billford1]

I will miss Rich Ameida our outgoing State Director. He was discussing his next move and we talked about places we'd lived. It turns out we were in the same 1st grade class over 50 years ago. We got a good laugh out of that one.

[Patterson]

This is very interesting to say the least.  Locally would these changes impact a 'typical" CAP Squadron?  I know we enjoy having the local Base Squadron Commanders send Airman/ NCOs to us when we need support (drivers, cooks, instructors etc.) and they need to make up a UTA.  Could this impact that arrangement?

[sarmed1]

This is very interesting to say the least.  Locally would these changes impact a 'typical" CAP Squadron?  I know we enjoy having the local Base Squadron Commanders send Airman/ NCOs to us when we need support (drivers, cooks, instructors etc.) and they need to make up a UTA.  Could this impact that arrangement?

That depends.  Technically speaking support requests for base support to CAP elements is "supposed" to be coordinated up to the SD, then down to the base liason officer (AF type) and then back to the requested unit.  If you have been going direct, whomever takes on that responsability (be it region CAP-USAF person or the "Wing Coordinator") might require you to go thru them despite previous "arrangements"

mk

[NIN]

As are we all. Indeed, this August gathering will be CAP's most significant redefining moment in decades.

Seems to happen every 20 years or so.

In the early-to-mid 1970s, as I recall from my (limited) history, there were changes to the National Command/NB structure (ie. "Chairman of the National Board" became the National Commander). In 1994, the HQ underwent the transition to "CAP, Inc" with the changes to HQ staffing, the CAP-USAF relationship, and the Executive Director no longer being the Commander, CAP-USAF.   Now, lookie, 20 years later...

[Eclipse]

As are we all. Indeed, this August gathering will be CAP's most significant redefining moment in decades.

Yeah, and the iPhone 4s was going to change the world.

The average member won't even notice the changes beyond the press releases.

[lordmonar]

As are we all. Indeed, this August gathering will be CAP's most significant redefining moment in decades.

Yeah, and the iPhone 4s was going to change the world.

The average member won't even notice the changes beyond the press releases.

Just because the average member does not see a change (which is a good thing BTW) does not mean it will not be a redefining moment (assuming a lot of the rumored changes happen).

[BillB]

What effect will the CAP-USAF changes have on the Governence report which is supposed to be released in the same time frame?

[FW]

^Good question. If the rumored changes are true, the BoG will be exerting a greater presence in CAP. This board of USAF, CAP and, industry leaders will, IMHO, (indirectly) enable the SECAF to further "influence" the direction of the organization. CAP-USAF's "decreased footprint" and, the addition of the volunteer Wing Coordinators should dovetail with the governance reorganization.
The governance report is completed, the SECAF has made his remarks and, the BoG will meet on Weds. August 22 to finalize their decisions. We will all know the outcome on the 22nd or 23rd at the Annual Conference.

[NIN]

Yeah, and the iPhone 4s was going to change the world.

So was the Segway...