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CAPR 39-2 typo?

Started by coudano, October 21, 2011, 05:45:16 PM

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coudano

cadet membership,

2-2.c. Single or married and under age 18


Guess that's supposed to be
Single
-or-
married and OVER age 18

??



Well no, once you turn 18 if you are married, you become a senior member.
So I guess you can be married as a cadet, if you aren't 18 yet
Wierd.

married to... a senior member?
too much confusion

haha

davidsinn

Quote from: coudano on October 21, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
married to... a senior member?
too much confusion

haha

That does open up interesting avenues. Two 17 year old cadets get married. One turns 18 and thus must go SM. You now have a cadet married to a SM. Now what? >:D
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David Sinn

lordmonar

Ignore it....as you should ignore all assine regulations that don't fit reality.
PATRICK M. HARRIS, SMSgt, CAP

MSG Mac

It's one of the few exceptions to the rule of under 17 seniors. The other is military under 18.
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johnnyb47

Quote from: lordmonar on October 21, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
Ignore it....as you should ignore all assine regulations that don't fit reality.

I'm too new to make the joke I'm thinking.
Anyone else? C'mon... it's killing me.

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lordmonar

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SarDragon

Quote from: davidsinn on October 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: coudano on October 21, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
married to... a senior member?
too much confusion

haha

That does open up interesting avenues. Two 17 year old cadets get married. One turns 18 and thus must go SM. You now have a cadet married to a SM. Now what? >:D

Make the other one a SM, too.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
55 Year Member
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C/WO, CAP, Ret

davidsinn

Quote from: SarDragon on October 21, 2011, 09:09:53 PM
Quote from: davidsinn on October 21, 2011, 06:05:26 PM
Quote from: coudano on October 21, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
married to... a senior member?
too much confusion

haha

That does open up interesting avenues. Two 17 year old cadets get married. One turns 18 and thus must go SM. You now have a cadet married to a SM. Now what? >:D

Make the other one a SM, too.

But cadet criteria says married and under 18. Personally I'd punt this puppy as high as I could and let NHQ fight it out.
Former CAP Captain
David Sinn

SarDragon

My punt would be a Form 12, annotated at the top: "SM conversion - 17 yo cadet married to an 18 yo SM". Then let the head shed sort it out.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
55 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

coudano

I think the point is that you can't be a senior member if you aren't 18
even if you ARE married...  (or in the military for that matter)

I'm sure you can technically get married at a rather young age, in some states,
particularly with parental consent

SarDragon

Quote from: CAPR 39-22-2. Requirements for Initial Membership. All applicants for cadet membership must meet the following prerequisites:
a. Twelve years of age through 18 years of age. [redacted]
b. Enrolled in or graduated from a private, public, home school or college program with a satisfactory record of academic achievement.
c. Single, or married and under age 18. (Red text added)
d. Not a member of the active duty Armed Forces. NOTE: National Guard and Reserve personnel are not considered active duty Armed Forces unless they are serving on extended active duty. For the purpose of this regulation, CAP does not consider Basic Military Training for Guard and Reserve personnel as extended active duty.

In c., the comma, or lack thereof, is critical. I'm guessing that it's been left out, since it is very unclear, and counter to logic without. Para 2-6 clarifies the situation:

Quote from: CAPR 39-22-6. Marriage. Married cadets who reach age 18 as well as cadets who marry after age 18, will furnish NHQ CAP/LMMR written notification along with a completed CAPF 12 and fingerprint card at which time they will be transferred automatically to senior membership status.

In d., It seems to imply that a 17 yo on AD can only be a SM. Para 3-2 amplifies that.

Quote from: CAPR 39-23-2. Requirements for Membership. All applicants for senior membership in CAP must be accepted by the unit and higher headquarters and must meet the following criteria:

b. Age. Be at least 18 years of age or be a member of the Armed Forces on active duty at any age.

So there is precedent for a 17 yo SM. Send it that Form 12, and see what NHQ does with it.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
55 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret