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ABUs

Started by MadGrak, September 15, 2011, 05:14:12 am

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gruntmp

There are cheap boots and expensive boots out there! The biggest problem is that they are all green! I like tan, brown and black boots, because they can all be worn with civvies! What do you do with green? Well, I guess they are still good hunting boots!

I can tell you that most of the green boots look tan quick enough! they tend to fade!

On our train up to Afghanistan a couple years ago, I was issued new hot weather green boots. By the time I finished my 6 weeks in El Paso, they were tan!

Knowing we were going to be patrolling in MRAP's off base, a couple of us bought FR rated green Rocky boots at about $200 a pair! We get to Afghanistan and were issued Multicams! We could still wear ABU's and the FR rated ABSG's on base but could only wear Multicams off base. Only tan or brown boots were authorized with the Multicam uniforms!

By the end of the deployment I had two pair each of green and brown boots. The brown boots sucked! I also had three different uniforms. I had ABU's as part of standard issue, about $4,000 worth of ABSG's that quickly faded, and, another $4,000 worth of Multicams that not only faded quickly, but basically rotted quickly! I shipped two foot lockers full of crap home and still had four full bags on the plane home!

As for the ABU issue, I could care less about the pattern! We don't need camo anyway, but, if we get them through Uncle Sam cheaply or for free, cool! The new ripstop is comfortable in warm weather. The ABU is cut the same as a BDU with a couple pockets added. Cool! Propper is no longer making Woodland BDU's. Time to change! If we are going to live in the past, then give me Jungle fatigues!

Or better yet! Bring back the Khakis! We can wear silver wings and crusher caps!


Angus

Maj. Richard J. Walsh, Jr.
Mass Wing Diversity Officer

gruntmp

Yeah! let's see!

I saw another retailer selling BDU's the other day and saw they were listed as on closeout! I checked the Propper site, and, yep, they are on closeout! I never said you can't still find them, Propper is still listing them! I'm just saying the source is drying up and it should come as no surprise that the uniform is going to change!

shuman14

Quote from: gruntmp on November 13, 2013, 04:49:36 pm
Or better yet! Bring back the Khakis! We can wear silver wings and crusher caps!


And people call me crazy.  ;)
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Private Investigator

November 14, 2013, 01:50:17 pm #405 Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 01:54:59 pm by Private Investigator
Quote from: gruntmp on November 13, 2013, 04:49:36 pm
Or better yet! Bring back the Khakis! We can wear silver wings and crusher caps!




Khakis .. Good memories, good times indeed   8)

SARDOC

^^^^ I would dig that.

Panache

Indeed.  Somebody upthread posted a suggestion about khakis, with our "blue accents" being AF blue hats, shoulder marks / sleeve chevrons, belts, and nameplates. 

SarDragon

Quote from: Private Investigator on November 14, 2013, 01:50:17 pm
Quote from: gruntmp on November 13, 2013, 04:49:36 pm
Or better yet! Bring back the Khakis! We can wear silver wings and crusher caps!




Khakis .. Good memories, good times indeed   8)


I, for one, would not welcome their return. They were such a PITA to properly maintain.
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PHall

Quote from: SarDragon on November 15, 2013, 02:22:42 am
Quote from: Private Investigator on November 14, 2013, 01:50:17 pm
Quote from: gruntmp on November 13, 2013, 04:49:36 pm
Or better yet! Bring back the Khakis! We can wear silver wings and crusher caps!




Khakis .. Good memories, good times indeed   8)


I, for one, would not welcome their return. They were such a PITA to properly maintain.


Yeah, those of us who actually wore them don't want to wear them again.

SARDOC

We could update the actual material they are made of to make them less maintenance intensive all while using the overall scheme.  It's been a long time since we've worn these.  The technology has improved....and this uniform addresses our historical tradition as well as our relationship with our parent service.

PHall

Quote from: SARDOC on November 15, 2013, 02:55:59 am
We could update the actual material they are made of to make them less maintenance intensive all while using the overall scheme.  It's been a long time since we've worn these.  The technology has improved....and this uniform addresses our historical tradition as well as our relationship with our parent service.


The Air Force has not worn anything but blue for over thirty years now.
So please tell me how wearing a uniform that hasn't been worn by the Air Force for over thirty years shows our attchment with the Air Force.

Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on November 15, 2013, 03:06:58 am
So please tell me how wearing a uniform that hasn't been worn by the Air Force for over thirty years shows our attchment with the Air Force.


I dunno, seems to be perfectly acceptable for more then 1/2 the seniors...



SARDOC

Quote from: PHall on November 15, 2013, 03:06:58 am
Quote from: SARDOC on November 15, 2013, 02:55:59 am
We could update the actual material they are made of to make them less maintenance intensive all while using the overall scheme.  It's been a long time since we've worn these.  The technology has improved....and this uniform addresses our historical tradition as well as our relationship with our parent service.


The Air Force has not worn anything but blue for over thirty years now.
So please tell me how wearing a uniform that hasn't been worn by the Air Force for over thirty years shows our attchment with the Air Force.


See Eclipse's comment above.  Half of our senior members already can't wear anything that even resembles anything the Air Force has worn in over thirty years.

If you notice I mentioned our historical Tradition.  Our organization actually dates back to the Army Air Corps.  But I'm betting that when most people look at the photo above they see this as the early Air Force.  It's obviously clear that the Air Force doesn't want a large section of our membership to even appear like them using the subjective standard of low light at a distance.  You've been on this forum enough to know the criteria they've set forth.

This uniform is something that WE as an organization can take pride in and allow all of our membership to actually be uniform.  This in no way can fail the Air Force's subjective standard...but commemorates OUR heritage using a Uniform they no longer use.

If you find something else that could meet their standard but is more modern in the Air Force lineage I'd be willing to entertain it as well. 

NIN

Hey, all you folks waiting for ABUs, I finally took one for the team.  Since I "un-retired" earlier this year, I resisted getting BDUs, knowing that ABUs and their approval were "in the pipeline."

I've finally gone out and gotten a set of BDUs.   Insignia will be here next week.  This means that as soon as I get everything sewn on, ABUs will be announced.

You're welcome.

:P

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shuman14

November 15, 2013, 05:14:51 am #415 Last Edit: November 15, 2013, 05:24:30 am by shuman14
Quote from: Panache on November 14, 2013, 02:24:19 pm
Indeed.  Somebody upthread posted a suggestion about khakis, with our "blue accents" being AF blue hats, shoulder marks / sleeve chevrons, belts, and nameplates.


That would be me... your friendly neighborhood troll.  8)

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17973.140

Page 8 of the thread... about a third down the page itself.  ;)
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Panache

Quote from: SarDragon on November 15, 2013, 02:22:42 am
I, for one, would not welcome their return. They were such a PITA to properly maintain.

Quote from: PHall on November 15, 2013, 02:41:02 am
Yeah, those of us who actually wore them don't want to wear them again.

Now, I've never worn them in a CAP context, but I routinely wear a khaki uniform as part of a part-time state law-enforcement job, and even after stomping around in the woods all day, they're still pretty easy to keep decent.  Generally speaking, they're wash-and-wear.  Usual poly-cotton stuff.

Quote from: shuman14 on November 15, 2013, 05:14:51 am
That would be me... your friendly neighborhood troll.  8)

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17973.140

Page 8 of the thread... about a third down the page itself.  ;)


Actually a pretty fine idea, in my opinion.  Keep the cadets in Blues and ABU's, the seniors in Khakis uniforms and fatigues... I think it would do wonders for our professional image.

PHall

Quote from: Panache on November 15, 2013, 05:30:35 am
Quote from: SarDragon on November 15, 2013, 02:22:42 am
I, for one, would not welcome their return. They were such a PITA to properly maintain.

Quote from: PHall on November 15, 2013, 02:41:02 am
Yeah, those of us who actually wore them don't want to wear them again.

Now, I've never worn them in a CAP context, but I routinely wear a khaki uniform as part of a part-time state law-enforcement job, and even after stomping around in the woods all day, they're still pretty easy to keep decent.  Generally speaking, they're wash-and-wear.  Usual poly-cotton stuff.

Quote from: shuman14 on November 15, 2013, 05:14:51 am
That would be me... your friendly neighborhood troll.  8)

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=17973.140

Page 8 of the thread... about a third down the page itself.  ;)


Actually a pretty fine idea, in my opinion.  Keep the cadets in Blues and ABU's, the seniors in Khakis uniforms and fatigues... I think it would do wonders for our professional image.


505's and 1505's weren't poly-cotton. The 505's required a metric crapton of Sta-Flo starch to look good and the Permament Press 1505's weren't.

Panache

Quote from: PHall on November 15, 2013, 05:51:57 am
505's and 1505's weren't poly-cotton. The 505's required a metric crapton of Sta-Flo starch to look good and the Permament Press 1505's weren't.


Well, hopefully if (and I realize this is just spit-balling) we decide to go that route, we would go with more manageable materials like wash-and-wear poly-cotton, and nothing too complicated.

If it requires starch or dry-cleaning (for a regular "duty" or "field" uniform), that would be a no-go.

a2capt

You say that like if this is an official venue for discussion of the direction this organization takes..

Sure, look at 39-1 now with regards to off the shelf items. There's no standard specification, but at least fits a common description.

Now lets change that to something you can't even buy in more than six places perhaps.

You just know there's going to be howling about that. ;-)