Eservices missing what should be an automatic function

[RVT]

Becoming a GTM3 means you are qualified both for the ground team basic badge and the emergency services patch.

Eservices tracks these separately as they have different rules for authorizing them - but its all information eservices has.

Being a GTM3 gets you the ground team basic badge.  Why doesn't eservices just award it along with the GTM3 rating?

Being ES rated as anything IN anything gets you the patch.  Eservices can easily show you as having it - and just as easily delete it when you no longer qualify.

Yet my group has over 100 ES rated members - only 5 of which have the ES patch.  Nobody has the senior or master ground team badge - nobody at all.  The three of us who have the basic badge all put in for it  based on being a ground team member back before Eservices even existed.

[Eclipse]

Yet my group has over 100 ES rated members - only 5 of which have the ES patch.

Many of us would consider the 95 not wearing it as the winners here.

I agree it should be automatic with any rating that awards it.

[SarDragon]

The ES ratings do not expire. Once the badge/patch has been awarded, you may wear it forever, unless revoked for cause(and I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that).

[Spaceman3750]

The ES ratings do not expire. Once the badge/patch has been awarded, you may wear it forever, unless revoked for cause(and I'm not even sure there's a mechanism for that).

In my view I see that the CAP ES Patch can be suspended but I don't see anywhere to suspend the GT badges. It does, however, give me a handy "remove" link next to the GT badge.

[jeders]

To the OP, yes, it absolutely should be automatic. And if I recall correctly, the regs even say it is supposed to be automatic. Have you dropped a request at the HelpDesk for this?

[disamuel]

Not only that, but the 101 card should really have an indicator showing if the member's safety is current. I'm thinking of either a red or green box showing currency. This would save a bunch of time at a mission base.

[RiverAux]

That wouldn't do any good unless you're printing off a 101 card every month. 

[SARDOC]

That wouldn't do any good unless you're printing off a 101 card every month.

Wouldn't it be just an even better Idea at a mission base just to see what ES quals a member has via eServices at Check-in.  Allowing the IC to assign qualified members as needed instead of everyone just carrying an old outdated 101 card.

[RiverAux]

Possibly, but I've yet to see a system implemented that tried to do that which wasn't more trouble than it was worth. 

[RVT]

That wouldn't do any good unless you're printing off a 101 card every month.

Wouldn't it be just an even better Idea at a mission base just to see what ES quals a member has via eServices at Check-in.  Allowing the IC to assign qualified members as needed instead of everyone just carrying an old outdated 101 card.

California is doing this.  Last mission they didn't even want to see my 101 card.

[SarDragon]

Same here. I walked in the door, handed over my membership card, and they asked what areas I would like to work in. They looked me up in Ops Quals, and off I went. Did MO Saturday, ans MRO Sunday.

[JeffDG]

That wouldn't do any good unless you're printing off a 101 card every month.

Wouldn't it be just an even better Idea at a mission base just to see what ES quals a member has via eServices at Check-in.  Allowing the IC to assign qualified members as needed instead of everyone just carrying an old outdated 101 card.

California is doing this.  Last mission they didn't even want to see my 101 card.

IMU flags expired safety automatically at checkin.

[Eclipse]

Same here. I walked in the door, handed over my membership card, and they asked what areas I would like to work in. They looked me up in Ops Quals, and off I went. Did MO Saturday, ans MRO Sunday.

That's the way it was always supposed to be, with the hard-copy cards being the back up.  These days with IC's who can be granted access at the national level, there should not even be issues at mission bases in other states (which were traditionally the biggest problem).

[davidsinn]

That wouldn't do any good unless you're printing off a 101 card every month.

Wouldn't it be just an even better Idea at a mission base just to see what ES quals a member has via eServices at Check-in.  Allowing the IC to assign qualified members as needed instead of everyone just carrying an old outdated 101 card.

California is doing this.  Last mission they didn't even want to see my 101 card.

That's a mistake. They should at least be verifying you have the 101 on you. That's the first thing an AF evaluator asks for when he's evaluating a section.

[Eclipse]

That's a mistake. They should at least be verifying you have the 101 on you. That's the first thing an AF evaluator asks for when he's evaluating a section.

I'm not sure where I stand with this.

You can't argue that it is still required, but the reg has outlived the need (in most cases).  During the Armageddon scenario that people like to
discuss, they are needed, but in most other cases the valid ID card is the gateway to your currency, so at some point we need to look at why we
still have them, and when they are needed.

I do agree that, today at least, they should be checked at least during sign-in.

[davidsinn]

That's a mistake. They should at least be verifying you have the 101 on you. That's the first thing an AF evaluator asks for when he's evaluating a section.

I'm not sure where I stand with this.

You can't argue that it is still required, but the reg has outlived the need (in most cases).  During the Armageddon scenario that people like to
discuss, they are needed, but in most other cases the valid ID card is the gateway to your currency, so at some point we need to look at why we
still have them, and when they are needed.

I do agree that, today at least, they should be checked at least during sign-in.

I agree that they have nearly outlived their usefulness. However I'm the FLS for INWG's eval later this month and that's one of the first things on the checklist. I'm aiming for an outstanding so I'll be sure my people have them.

[Tubacap]

Does anyone know the reg that says that these should be automated?  I spend a good amount of my time cross referencing databases for Patches and Badges.  It is rather frustrating typing the same email over again (even cut and paste is annoying), saying to please reference CAPR 35-6 for why your request was denied.

[Tubacap]

The answer to my own question is 35-6, and it also says that the request is generated automatically as opposed to the approval.  I did however put in a help ticket to make the approval information easier to see.