CAPR174-1 Change 1

[Eclipse]

Perfect example - I had a member who drove a COV into a very tight area, then attempted to back it up without a spotter - he
wound up crushing one of the doors against a parking pole and was charged for the deductible.

I thought that was completely appropriate.

[RADIOMAN015]

Perfect example - I had a member who drove a COV into a very tight area, then attempted to back it up without a spotter - he
wound up crushing one of the doors against a parking pole and was charged for the deductible.

I thought that was completely appropriate.

Really   Someone please tell me about CAP's motor vehicle spotter's standard training program . (funny we do have one for aircraft parking don't we)  There is none and for a driver trying to use a spotter what would be the appropriate signals, proper positioning of the spotter,etc

So we are assessing someone for an accident, for not using a spotter, but yet we really have no standards for training a spotter to ensure it is done correctly and safely   Yep, that's really logic, isn't it

I noted awhile back at our support military base that a military vehicle was being backed into a parking space and a spotter got out, was positioned in a specific area & and was using specific hand signals to the driver, so apparently the military does have this training program.  As the official auxiliary of the USAF, perhaps the safety folks at Hq CAP-USAF could assist us in this (likely the information is in AF Manual 24-306, which has restricted distribution)


RM

[JeffDG]

Perfect example - I had a member who drove a COV into a very tight area, then attempted to back it up without a spotter - he
wound up crushing one of the doors against a parking pole and was charged for the deductible.

I thought that was completely appropriate.

Really   Someone please tell me about CAP's motor vehicle spotter's standard training program . (funny we do have one for aircraft parking don't we)  There is none and for a driver trying to use a spotter what would be the appropriate signals, proper positioning of the spotter,etc

I noted awhile back at our support military base that a vehicle was being backed into a parking space and a spotter got out, was positioned in a specific areas & and was using specific hand signals to the driver, so apparently the military does have this training program.  As the official auxiliary of the USAF, perhaps the safety folks at Hq CAP-USAF could assist us in this (likely the information is in AF Manual 24-306, which has restricted distribution)
RM

Seriously?  Someone has to tell you how to guide a car?  I've been doing it since I was 10 with a lot bigger vehicles than CAP operates...how'd I learn?  I used my head and learned to yell "WHOA" when the vehicle was about to hit something.

[davidsinn]

Perfect example - I had a member who drove a COV into a very tight area, then attempted to back it up without a spotter - he
wound up crushing one of the doors against a parking pole and was charged for the deductible.

I thought that was completely appropriate.

Really   Someone please tell me about CAP's motor vehicle spotter's standard training program . (funny we do have one for aircraft parking don't we)  There is none and for a driver trying to use a spotter what would be the appropriate signals, proper positioning of the spotter,etc

I noted awhile back at our support military base that a vehicle was being backed into a parking space and a spotter got out, was positioned in a specific areas & and was using specific hand signals to the driver, so apparently the military does have this training program.  As the official auxiliary of the USAF, perhaps the safety folks at Hq CAP-USAF could assist us in this (likely the information is in AF Manual 24-306, which has restricted distribution)
RM

Seriously?  Someone has to tell you how to guide a car?  I've been doing it since I was 10 with a lot bigger vehicles than CAP operates...how'd I learn?  I used my head and learned to yell "WHOA" when the vehicle was about to hit something.

As have I. And those vehicles cost more than your house to boot and we were trying to get them within plus or minus an inch of something else.

[EMT-83]

Perfect example - I had a member who drove a COV into a very tight area, then attempted to back it up without a spotter - he
wound up crushing one of the doors against a parking pole and was charged for the deductible.

I thought that was completely appropriate.

Really   Someone please tell me about CAP's motor vehicle spotter's standard training program . (funny we do have one for aircraft parking don't we)  There is none and for a driver trying to use a spotter what would be the appropriate signals, proper positioning of the spotter,etc

So we are assessing someone for an accident, for not using a spotter, but yet we really have no standards for training a spotter to ensure it is done correctly and safely   Yep, that's really logic, isn't it

I noted awhile back at our support military base that a military vehicle was being backed into a parking space and a spotter got out, was positioned in a specific area & and was using specific hand signals to the driver, so apparently the military does have this training program.  As the official auxiliary of the USAF, perhaps the safety folks at Hq CAP-USAF could assist us in this (likely the information is in AF Manual 24-306, which has restricted distribution)


RM

The use of a spotter while backing the vehicle is required, provided one is available. CAPR 77-1, para 2-2h.

Specific hand signals? How about the same ones that school crossing guards use?

[davidsinn]

Specific hand signals? How about the same ones that school crossing guards use?

Why hand signals at all? Use your mouth and have the driver roll the window down.

[a2capt]

Heck, for a short while 60-1 required wing walkers within 10 feet of anything on an airport.

Talk about bringing operations to a standstill. If you land at night and your route to parking is down the typical row of hangars at the average GA airport, you're SOL. ..and it doesn't have to be at night in a lot of places. There's times when there is just no one there.

[EMT-83]

Specific hand signals? How about the same ones that school crossing guards use?

Why hand signals at all? Use your mouth and have the driver roll the window down.

Because you might not hear him over the back-up alarm or other background noise. As long as you keep your spotter in sight in your mirror, you're good to go.

[a2capt]

Heavens no.. the backup alarm. OMG. When I left the vehicle at the shop for it's SMOG check, 200 feet and half a mile down the hill, I heard it when they moved it.

[Eclipse]

Pop smoke, launch flares, whatever - it is common sense for anyone driving anything, not to mention when you are driving someone else's vehicle.

Bottom line this was an avoidable mishap caused by negligence, and the member was assessed a proper, fair, penalty. 

As he wears big-boy pants, he didn't think twice about accepting personal responsibility, and was very embarrassed it happened at all.