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DBlair
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« on: March 18, 2011, 02:39:17 AM »

I've noticed quite a few CAPTalkers who are now former CAP members.

Without needing to go into detail, I'm curious as to what ultimately led you to quit CAP.

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DANIEL BLAIR, Lt Col, CAP
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Trung Si Ma
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011, 08:35:06 AM »

Boredom.
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BillB
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011, 08:48:32 AM »

If you go through the various membership threads on CAPTalk you'll find several answers why people have quit CAP. Several say because of the lack of direction of the organization. A few dedicated members have been terminated by the politics that exists in CAP.  One or two say they quit because of the confusing regulations. There doesn't seem to be a single reason for members dropping from CAP.
Even active members are disgruntled by problems that exist in the leadership and in-fighting that exists. But no matter the reason that causes an individual to drop out of the program, these former members are lost to CAP and in some cases causes a black eye for the program.
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Chaplaindon
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 10:09:42 AM »

It was the actions of the misguided current National Commander who, for personal reasons beyond the scope of this post, punatively destroyed the CISM program that Lt Col Sherry Jones, many others, (and I) worked tirelessly to establish and develop.

The current National Commander unilaterally moved the program to a deliberate "purgatory" in Health Services in early 2008 which effectively destroyed the program.

I retired as a result after 23 years.

Once the current CAP/CC is replaced, I MIGHT consider returning ...
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NIN
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 10:43:01 AM »

I just ran out of airspeed, altitude and ideas.. :)
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peter rabbit
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 11:06:38 AM »

if you are no longer a member, what leads you to continue to post in CAPTalk?
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Reno
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 11:16:41 AM »

I moved from Arkansas to Florida for a summer to work at Busch Gardens and volunteer with various social programs. During that time my membership expired. When I came back home I started college and rushed a fraternity (Any Pikes here?)
and became involved in various other student organizations. I've just now had the time to renew my membership (As a senior member). I'm waiting for it to shift through CAPNHQ.

Hopefully in a week this topic will no longer be relevant to me as I'll be back in  ;D
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Andrew Reno, FO, CAP
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011, 11:25:17 AM »

if you are no longer a member, what leads you to continue to post in CAPTalk?

Even though someone like NIN is not a current member, he has years of experience and holds a wealth of knowledge. If he’s willing to share that experience, I’m willing to listen.
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DakRadz
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 12:51:14 PM »

if you are no longer a member, what leads you to continue to post in CAPTalk?

Even though someone like NIN is not a current member, he has years of experience and holds a wealth of knowledge. If he’s willing to share that experience, I’m willing to listen.
I've gotten uniforms, stories, and good advice from NIN so far, and I'm new! Agreed in full, EMT.
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peter rabbit
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 01:18:39 PM »

Hey - I'm listening too. It sounds like several former members still have a piece of themselves invested in the organization. I'm hoping they'll find something that draws them back to "active duty". We need all of the good, quality, caring, participating members we can lasso, hoodwink, whatever.
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LtDan123
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2011, 01:27:01 PM »

Saw this today in News of the Force: may be a reason for some....

Report: Three Civil Air Patrol officers relieved for following a regulation
   
   [redacted full text for copyright compliance reasons --admin]
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Flying Pig
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2011, 01:53:47 PM »

"It is refreshing to see someone in the CAP refuse to sink to the level of petty arguments," the source said.

Let me translate that....

Wheeew, Im glad this guy just went away instead of calling us on the fact that we dont want to enforce height and weight standards.....

I think its because their reasons for wanting to stay active in CAP have changed, but they still enjoy the conversation and discussions.  They arent members anymore, but are still interested in whats going on.  A lot of these former members have 20+ yrs in CAP.  Just like people who retire from the military are still interested in whats going on.  Heck, I only did 8 years in the military and I am still very much interested in what the military is up to.
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tsrup
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2011, 02:06:08 PM »

Just furthers the idea that our regulations have no teeth, when we can't even enforce them without getting canned.

Of course like most things, I doubt that the article contains the whole story...
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Major Carrales
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2011, 02:40:25 PM »

After 13 years of service in the Civil Air Patrol I find that I have integrated it into my lifestyle to a level that I have more than emotionally invested in it.  If I had to leave it, most likely due to those "life" issues related to finances or for a reason where I simply did not have time...I might move into PATRON STATUS, but remain keenly interested in the latest goings on in anticipation of the day when I could return to active status.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 03:06:32 PM »

Saw this today in News of the Force: may be a reason for some....

Report: Three Civil Air Patrol officers relieved for following a regulation
   
   [redacted full text for copyright compliance reasons --admin]

I read the article.  I'm guessing there is a whole lot more to the story than what NOTF reports or knows.  It is long on opinion and short on facts.
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CAP Producer
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2011, 03:36:15 PM »

I've noticed quite a few CAPTalkers who are now former CAP members.

Some may not have quit on their own ,they may have had their memberships terminated for cause.
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AL PABON, Major, CAP
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2011, 03:44:17 PM »


   [redacted full text for copyright compliance reasons --admin]
I don't think NoTF would have the gall to try to enforce a copyright given that they violate copyrights about 15-25 times a day. 
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nesagsar
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2011, 03:50:57 PM »

My wing had some problem officers that caused me to leave. Now that I have moved to another state I might get back in.
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Smoothice
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2011, 04:21:27 PM »

Hmm..

I heard 'round the squadron that a few senior members are about to be "Bumped down to Patron Status". I guess they haven't been around.
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Eclipse
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 04:29:17 PM »

if you are no longer a member, what leads you to continue to post in CAPTalk?

Something I regularly ask myself as well.  While their are many, like NIN, who basically completed the program and moved on to new / different challenges,
but are still involved in related or similar programs and have valid opinions to offer, there are far too many who view CT as just a place to
air or (more often) rehash the "injustices" imposed upon them WIWAC or WIWAS (injustices generally done by people no longer involved in any positions of authority, if even the program) as if they were remotely relevant today.

In my experience, the #1 reason members quit is incorrect expectations set from day one, which result in the member not understanding CAP at a fundamental level and fighting up stream their whole time.

As one example, a member is recruited at an airshow in front of three airplanes and a HMMV, and told they can "fly for free", only to find out later that
the unit doesn't have a plane assigned (or even an active flight program, the HMMV was on loan from a local dealer, and it takes 6-months to 1 year
of fairly active membership before a member can "fly for free cheap".
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