Minimum total TIG for promotions Cadet and Senior

[Eclipse]

Senior = 10 Years minimum time from 2d Lt. to Lt. Col.

2d Lt - 6 months (Unit CC)
1st Lt - (+1 year)18 Months (unit CC)
Capt - (+18 Months) 3 years (Group CC)
Maj - (+3 years) 6 years (Wing CC)
Lt. Col. (+4 years) 10 years total

Times listed are total minimum membership time to grade.
Echelon listed is lowest approving authority.

Note 1: Colonel and above is dependent on appointment as a corporate officer and may come at any time in
a CAP career regardless of TIG or professional development level.

Note 2: Assumes no advanced grade and all promotions are made on time.

Could someone post the cadet minimums?

[coudano]

It's a little more fuzzy for cadets given a few exceptions...

There are 16 achievements and 4 milestones that all carry 2 months time in grade.
So that's 20 total TIG periods at 2 months each is 40 months.
In other words, 3 years 4 months.

There is no time in grade requirement between the ICEA and the Spaatz.


Now for a few exceptions,
1.  A cadet can advance to Cadet Airman "any time" after completing the requirements.  Potentially even within the same month as joining...  that could subtract 1 or even 2 months from the total time in program.

2.  Various levels of JROTC promotion allow the cadet to promote every 1 month all the way up to the Eaker Award (4 years of JROTC experience).  This reduces the total time in the program between 10 and 20 months depending on how many years of JROTC the cadet has.



Therefore the absolute minimum time that one could complete the program could be as low as 18 months in the case of someone who was promoted to C/Amn immediately after joining, and whom had, credit for 4 full years of JROTC.


**This also supposes that the cadet demonstrates mastery of leadership expectations and certification of readiness to accept additional responsibilities, by the squadron commander, the whole way.


On the "standard 2 month progression"
From joining,
3 Achievements + 1 milestone = 8 months to the WBA
5 Achievements + 1 milestone = 12 more months to the Mitchell (20 total months)
3 Achievements + 1 milestone = 8 more months to the Earhart (28 total months)
5 Achievements + 1 milestone = 12 more months to the Eaker (40 total months)


A note on the Spaatz Test Age Calculus:
A cadet can take the Spaatz Exam on the day before his 21st birthday.
However, if that is his third attempt, his second attempt must be 120 days before that.
And the first attempt must be 60 days before that.
Therefore, the latest a cadet can take the Spaatz exam and use up all 3 attempts is his 21st birthday minus 181 days (6 months and 1 day).

Thus, the latest age at which a cadet can join and get all 3 attempts at the Spaatz is:
3 years + 4 months + 6 months + 1 day = 3 years 10 months and 1 day before the 21st birthday =
17 years, 1 month, and 30 days old.

The youngest age a cadet can join and still get 1 crack at the Spaatz is: 17 years 7 months and 30 days old.

(not counting early C/Amn or JROTC time, of course)

[Ron1319]

See Paragraph 2-3 of  CAPR 52-16 Cadet Program Management 1 Oct 06 (Includes Change 1, 1 Jul 09) covering cadet progression below. 

2-3. Progression.
a. Sequence & Spacing. Cadets complete achievements and milestone awards sequentially. See Figure 2-1 for the Cadet Program's path of progression. Cadets may complete Achievement 1 any time after joining CAP. They may attempt the Spaatz Award exam any time after completing Phase IV (see paragraph 2-8g). All other achievements require a minimum separation of 2 months (8 weeks or 56 days) between each achievement and milestone award (except as noted below for JROTC in Paragraph 6-1)"

This may seem trivial that it is 8 weeks and not two months but it makes the difference between one of my cadets being able to get his Spaatz before turning 21 or not.  Since the manual was changed to say 56 days:

Wright Brothers - 24 weeks
Mitchell - plus 48 weeks
Earhart - plus 32 weeks
Program Completion - plus 48 weeks
total - 152 weeks or 2.92 years or 35.3 months

If two months:

Wright brothers - 6 months
Mitchell - plus 12 months
Earhart - plus 8 months
Program Completion - plus 12 months
38 months

[Ron1319]

Fixed original post.  I believe my analysis says that someone can join right before their 18th birthday and still take the Spaatz exam.

[coudano]

To add another wrinkle, the Cadet Promotions module in e-services allows you to promote a cadet after 56 days, which is "approximately" 2 months, but it certainly isn't 60 days (or 61 or 62).  Of course that probably makes up for months like february, eh...

However, over the course of 20 promotions, that adds up to 80 days, which is almost three months...

Clearly not the intent of the program, but we are talking about "possible" here, right?

BTW the 56 days thing isn't in the manual, but it is in the e-services cadet promotions module.

[Ron1319]

Check my post above, I cited that change that says 56 days.  There are 4.3 weeks in a month (52 weeks / 12 months = 4.3 weeks/month)

[ol'fido]

Senior = 10 Years minimum time from 2d Lt. to Lt. Col.

2d Lt - 6 months (Unit CC)
1st Lt - (+1 year)18 Months (unit CC)
Capt - (+18 Months) 3 years (Group CC)
Maj - (+3 years) 6 years (Wing CC)
Lt. Col. (+4 years) 10 years total

Times listed are total minimum membership time to grade.
Echelon listed is lowest approving authority.

Note 1: Colonel and above is dependent on appointment as a corporate officer and may come at any time in
a CAP career regardless of TIG or professional development level.

Note 2: Assumes no advanced grade and all promotions are made on time.

Could someone post the cadet minimums?

Bob, unless they changed it in the last couple  of years, you can receive one TIG waiver for promotion. I used mine to go from MAJ to LTCOL at Fred Herschelman's suggestion when he was  wing VC. It's a one shot deal so your best bet is to wait till you are going for LTCOL. I think it is good for1/2 the required TIG.  It also has to be approved up the line. You also have to have all the PD requirements completed for that promotion.

[Eclipse]

I'm not looking for a waiver, just posting / asking what the curve is.

[ol'fido]

I understand. Just didn't know if a lot of people took advantage of it or even knew about it. You see a lot of people post that they are waiting for their TIG to MAJ or LTCOL that don't mention trying to get one.

[exFlight Officer]

Senior = 10 Years minimum time from 2d Lt. to Lt. Col.

2d Lt - 6 months (Unit CC)
1st Lt - (+1 year)18 Months (unit CC)
Capt - (+18 Months) 3 years (Group CC)
Maj - (+3 years) 6 years (Wing CC)
Lt. Col. (+4 years) 10 years total

Times listed are total minimum membership time to grade.
Echelon listed is lowest approving authority.

Note 1: Colonel and above is dependent on appointment as a corporate officer and may come at any time in
a CAP career regardless of TIG or professional development level.

Note 2: Assumes no advanced grade and all promotions are made on time.

Could someone post the cadet minimums?

Bob, unless they changed it in the last couple  of years, you can receive one TIG waiver for promotion. I used mine to go from MAJ to LTCOL at Fred Herschelman's suggestion when he was  wing VC. It's a one shot deal so your best bet is to wait till you are going for LTCOL. I think it is good for1/2 the required TIG.  It also has to be approved up the line. You also have to have all the PD requirements completed for that promotion.

Could you please cite the reg stating this TIG Waiver ?

Much Appreciated,

[ßτε]

Could you please cite the reg stating this TIG Waiver ?

Much Appreciated,

I believe the provisions are CAPR 35-5 paragraphs 5-10 and 1-8d.
They don't specifically say anything about a TIG waiver, but from what I understand,
it is an undocumented practice.

[Eclipse]

Any waiver in this manner would be a special skills promotion, which one can do at any time, and as many times as one is eligible.

[IceNine]

Many moons ago there was specific verbiage that allowed a one time cut for 50% TIG.  That was nixed 2? revisions ago...

[ol'fido]

My DOR for LTCOL is 8 Jan 03. So it's only been changed since then. I haven't really had a need to look at it since then so I'll take IceNine's word on it.

[Stroke]

Instead of starting another thread, I thought I would attempt to tag my question to this one. 

With a list of variables a mile long, I assumed it would be too difficult to calculate the minimum time to complete the Wilson.  So instead, I have decided to see if anyone knows the youngest person to attain the award. 

Thoughts? 

[MSG Mac]

When I rejoined CAP in 1983 after a year long hiatus, I got my COP, Loening, and Garber Awards by July of the next year. It took me another 8 months to get the Wilson. so in my case it was 25 months. I did have the advantage of using military schools to conplete the NSC requirement.

[FW]

Many moons ago there was specific verbiage that allowed a one time cut for 50% TIG.  That was nixed 2? revisions ago...

This is what 35-5 says about waivers:
d. In unusual cases where an exceptionally qualified individual does not meet the promotion eligibility criteria of the applicable promotion method outlined in 1-8a above, a waiver may be requested by the unit commander, provided he or she can prove that the member concerned has a skill or background unique to CAP which makes him or her eminently qualified for the grade recommended ahead of his or her peers. Each region commander has authority to waive promotion eligibility criteria for the grades of second lieutenant through captain for exceptionally qualified personnel assigned to the region headquarters and subordinate units within the region. This authority will not be delegated. Requests to waive promotion eligibility criteria for major and lieutenant colonel will be considered by the National Awards and Promotions Team. 

[ColonelJack]

I can't say who the youngest to achieve the GRW was ... but I was 33 when I got mine (1991).

In fact, at the time I made Lt Col, I was the youngest in GAWG who had not previously been a cadet (or received a mission-related appointment/promotion).  I was promoted to Lt Col one month after my 32nd birthday, and had achieved it in the minimum time possible.  My GRW was about a year after that.

Jack

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

And here I thought I was the only one who had heard of the TIG waiver.

Back when I first joined CAP (1993) I heard of that "one time silver bullet"...but nowadays when I mention it to anyone they look at me like "huh?"

It would be nice if it were indeed true.  I have everything done for Major except TIG and a good chunk of my stuff for Lt. Col.

[JeffDG]

And here I thought I was the only one who had heard of the TIG waiver.

Back when I first joined CAP (1993) I heard of that "one time silver bullet"...but nowadays when I mention it to anyone they look at me like "huh?"

It would be nice if it were indeed true.  I have everything done for Major except TIG and a good chunk of my stuff for Lt. Col.

From the quoted reg, it's available, but not a "one time" thing...time to start buttering up your Region/CC to get your Lt. Col.!

But seriously, this makes a ton of sense.  The approval level is high enough that it just won't become a routine thing, but when a member truly excels, they can be recognized for that.