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Eclipse
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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2010, 05:11:24 PM »

In short, yes. We should always ask who else is participating.

How often?  If another group signs on the day before an event, do we pull out at the last minute, leaving a worthy community group stuck for relying in good faith upon a commitment that CAP gave?

Yes.  If you agree to "x" and it turns out to be "y", that's not CAP's fault anymore than if a weather issue caused a safety situation that CAP decided was too high a risk to be involved.

CAP was also relying on the "good faith" of the group in it's proper characterization of the activity.  It is interesting that you want to continue to allow for the effect on the downtrodden community group, but don't seem to care about the ramifications for CAP.

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« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2010, 07:11:29 PM »

In short, yes. We should always ask who else is participating.

How often?  If another group signs on the day before an event, do we pull out at the last minute, leaving a worthy community group stuck for relying in good faith upon a commitment that CAP gave?

Yes.  If you agree to "x" and it turns out to be "y", that's not CAP's fault anymore than if a weather issue caused a safety situation that CAP decided was too high a risk to be involved.

CAP was also relying on the "good faith" of the group in it's proper characterization of the activity.  It is interesting that you want to continue to allow for the effect on the downtrodden community group, but don't seem to care about the ramifications for CAP.

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.
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« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2010, 07:17:57 PM »

In short, yes. We should always ask who else is participating.

How often?  If another group signs on the day before an event, do we pull out at the last minute, leaving a worthy community group stuck for relying in good faith upon a commitment that CAP gave?

Yes.  If you agree to "x" and it turns out to be "y", that's not CAP's fault anymore than if a weather issue caused a safety situation that CAP decided was too high a risk to be involved.

CAP was also relying on the "good faith" of the group in it's proper characterization of the activity.  It is interesting that you want to continue to allow for the effect on the downtrodden community group, but don't seem to care about the ramifications for CAP.

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.

It absolutely sets the tone of the event. If there are two events planned on April 20th, one by the Collegiate Association of Stoners and one by the New Aryan Brotherhood, do you really think they will be the same? Granted, this isn't a direct example, but both celebrate 4/20 in their own way, which is the point.
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« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2010, 07:24:32 PM »

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.

Sponsor as in advertising? Probably not, though Coke is not likely to put their name on a T-Shirt that espouses the overthrow of the US government.

Sponsor as in the people running the activity?  Of course they do.
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« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2010, 08:47:56 PM »

This is one of those things you will just have to play by ear.

I see no problem with a CAP color guard at a "political" even....say the DNC or GOP conventions or rallies.....but totally can see why we would stay away from other organisations (KKK, Neo-Nazis, etc).

But I don't have a good answer other than just to say "use your best judgement and request assistance from wing/region/national if in doubt."

One of the reasons why we get paid the big buck!  >:D
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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2010, 02:38:45 AM »

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.

Sponsor as in advertising? Probably not, though Coke is not likely to put their name on a T-Shirt that espouses the overthrow of the US government.

Sponsor as in the people running the activity?  Of course they do.

The Coke example and overthrow of the government is a stretch.

So, what are us trying to insinuate tou analogy....the "Tea Party" is trying to over throw the government using the US Constitution?  Overthrowing the government with the government?
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2010, 02:58:30 AM »

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.

Sponsor as in advertising? Probably not, though Coke is not likely to put their name on a T-Shirt that espouses the overthrow of the US government.

Sponsor as in the people running the activity?  Of course they do.

The Coke example and overthrow of the government is a stretch.

So, what are us trying to insinuate tou analogy....the "Tea Party" is trying to over throw the government using the US Constitution?  Overthrowing the government with the government?

There are elements in this and other groups that advocate non-constitutional ways, but I think Eclipse was talking in general.
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2010, 03:13:53 AM »

The sponsor of an event does not necessarily change the nature of the activity.

Sponsor as in advertising? Probably not, though Coke is not likely to put their name on a T-Shirt that espouses the overthrow of the US government.

Sponsor as in the people running the activity?  Of course they do.

The Coke example and overthrow of the government is a stretch.

So, what are us trying to insinuate tou analogy....the "Tea Party" is trying to over throw the government using the US Constitution?  Overthrowing the government with the government?

There are elements in this and other groups that advocate non-constitutional ways, but I think Eclipse was talking in general.

Then let him reply for himself.

As I have seen, the main issue these groups bank on is on how to interpret the Constitution (no different than Federalists and Anti-Federalists, Jeffersonians and Hamiltonians, Jacksonians and Whigs and the list goes on). 
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« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2010, 03:21:10 AM »

That's great! That's what the two major parties claim to do as well. But at each and every activity I see this theme instead:



I also see a lot of Birthers, Muslim xenophobes (as in, the President is one, not that it would matter). And none of those messages should get within a mile of any CAP mention.
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