New Learn to Lead texts...

[MICT1362]

Ok, need a little help.  I have searched the knowledge base as well as for previous threads here.  Our WG DCP hasn't been of much help, so I will throw this one out to all of you, as I know if I have the questions, so does someone else.  Maybe not here, but somewhere.

With the transition to the Learn to Lead textbooks there are no longer Achievement Names (i.e. Curry, Arnold) attached to the Chapters.  Chapters 1-3 would represent Curry-Feik.  With the Armstrong being only a paper and speech, would that make Chapter 4 the Wright Brothers Award?

If so, after reading through the text, it is not very comprehensive as it is supposed to be.  It simply has become one more test in the line and is more like an achievement again. 

On the counter side of that, all awards are supposed to be closed book exams, but the Wright Brothers Exam that matches the 21st Century books will not match the LTL books.  Pretty difficult to expect someone to pass an exam over material that they can't study.  Chapter 4 is also an on-line exam...

If you know of where to find a good answer, please let me know.  You can PM me if you wish.

-Paramedic

[HGjunkie]

The Wright Brothers is a comprehensive exam of chapters 1-3. At least it was for Leadership for the 21st century. If i'm correct, chapter 4 is for C/TSgt.

[jimmydeanno]

With the transition to the Learn to Lead textbooks there are no longer Achievement Names (i.e. Curry, Arnold) attached to the Chapters.  Chapters 1-3 would represent Curry-Feik.

That's because the chapter test isn't the achievement.  The culmination of all the requirements are the achievement.  But, this is how it's broken down.

Chapter 1 = Test for C/AB to become C/Amn
Chapter 2 = Test for C/Amn to become C/A1C
Chapter 3 = Test for C/A1C to become C/SrA
Wright Brothers = Test of Module 1 material.

Chapter 4 = Test for C/SSgt to become C/TSgt
Chapter 5 = Test for C/TSgt to become C/MSgt
Chapter 6 = Test for C/Msgt to become C/SMSgt
Chapter 7 = Test for C/SMSgt to become C/CMSgt
Chapter 8 = Instructions on how to write and such for a C/CMSgt to complete the Armstrong.
Mitchell Award = Test of the Module 2 material.

On the counter side of that, all awards are supposed to be closed book exams, but the Wright Brothers Exam that matches the 21st Century books will not match the LTL books.  Pretty difficult to expect someone to pass an exam over material that they can't study.  Chapter 4 is also an on-line exam...

Your squadron should receive Milestone Exams that apply to the new text books. 

Also, since the new tests are online, the cadet is only allowed to take exams that they are eligible to.

If you are really confused, try looking at "Stripes to Diamonds" on the Cadet Program section of the webpage.  http://www.capmembers.com/cadet_programs/stripes_to_diamonds/

Click each insignia and it outlines exactly what that cadet needs to do.

Have a wonderful CAP day

[MICT1362]

Jimmy,

After a little more careful checking, I noted the following for Wright Brothers on Stripes to Diamonds:

Pass a comprehensive Learn To Lead exam, with a grade of 80% or higher, closed book.  This test includes multiple-choice questions and a section testing performance in drill and ceremonies.

So I would presume than that either the Wright Brothers Exam either hasn't been mailed out yet, or we just didn't get a copy of it.  Either is possible.  Wouldn't be the first time I didn't get something in my CP mailer from NHQ.

There is still one problem.  There is no test listed for the Armstrong as there hasn't been one since the inception of the Feik Achievement.  However, there is an Achievement 8 Test that cadets are required to take on-line and a corresponding chapter in the text.  So, I would presume that this test is now associated with the Armstrong. Which like I said before, I am ok with.  Just need to clarify.

-Paramedic

[biomed441]

Ive had the same problem with not recieving the updated written tests for the milestone awards. hopefully they'll arrive soon. If not some phones calls will need to be made.

Something else that I've been confused with this whole system is how to to even verify a cadet has taken a test.  I've recieved several cadets saying they've taken their test online, recieved such a grade, but I don't recieve any notifications about it through eServices, and their online promotion record isnt automaticly updated with it either. I'm assuming because of the drill test portion they still need to complete. Is there a way they can print out their test results or something so I'm not just taking their word for it?

[coudano]

The new comprehensive tests shouldn't come to /CP (in your CP mailer)
they should come to the squadron commander // testing officer.
We haven't received the new milestones, that I know of yet, either.

In the new system, I believe that the Armstrong *DOES* have a test from L2L.  I (think) (without looking) that chapter covers how to write and speak in public...

The 'no way to record drill test in e-services' is a known and reported problem.  Hopefully they will fix that soon.  In the meantime, simply don't approve a cadet to promote if they haven't met the requirement...  (track it yourself, eh)

Is it possible that your cadets attempted their leadership test online but didnt pass?   The passing score on those online tests now is 80 not 70...    Even if they failed, your squadron commander and testing officer should have received a notification.

I've had cadets pass aerospace online, but none leadership yet.  --or maybe I have...  and just don't know it, if the system isn't working?  There WAS a problem on the aerospace tests where it was recording online scores as low as 70%, so software glitches are not out of the question.

[biomed441]

The cadets said they passed, so I'll double check with the commander and testing officers to see if they've gotten any notifications. I am running into 1 issue with one of the cadets who timed out on a test and needed permission to retake it. I granted the permission and the cadet also said he had passed the test with a 92% the second time, yet in the administration section of the module it still says hes taken the test too many times and is awaiting permission to take the test again... another glitch too maybe?

as for drill tests, I know the old system the score was factored into the leadership score and you just had to do the math yourself to figure the percentage. If they made it a seperate component all together that would be a big help.

[MICT1362]

A bit more investigation today and found some a single sheet of paper stuffed in the bottom of my CP Mailer that I got the new books in.  It is a white piece of paper that shows the realignment of tests.  The Wright Brothers is a closed book test that we don't have yet (doesn't say when we will get it).  And it also shows that there is now a leadership test for Armstrong, which you are correct is about communications.  So, I have all of my questions cleared up.

As far as the testing notifications, there is no email and there is no notification that shows up on your e-services home page.  You have to go into the cadet testing area and into the admin section.  Funny glitch though, right after they posted the new tests I had a failed test for a cadet out of Virginia show up on my status report...  It was kind of odd, but I got a good laugh out of it.

And I concur, I wouldn't validate a promotion until the drill portion is complete.  Hopefully they will get that fixed soon.

-Paramedic

[Paul Creed III]

If you send Sharon Jackson (sjackson@capnhq.gov) at NHQ an e-mail, she can hook you up with the tests you need.