Guided Training Exercise

[sdcapmx]

We have a Guided Training Exercise coming up.  In the past I am sure the LR people put together the scenarios and we were simply handed input cards and performed the mission.  This year my State Director said it is up to the wing to put together the scenarios and the LR people will simply be there to help us out. 

According to CAP USAFI 10-2701 the LR people are supposed to come up with the scenarios.  In my opinion this is another attempt at those on the USAF side who are getting paid good  money to shrug more of their work off on the CAP volunteers.

How do other wing Guided Training Exercise scenarios get planned?

[lordmonar]

So complain to the AU IG.

On the plus side....we do it all the time.  The GTE should be just like any other SAREX.  Make up a scenerio that will task all your assets and run the exercise.

Letting the USAF make the scenerio...when they don't know your capabilities....will only make it more likely that your wing will fail the GTE.

[davidsinn]

Letting the USAF make the scenerio...when they don't know your capabilities....will only make it more likely that your wing will fail the GTE.

Isn't that the point? You don't learn a whole lot if things are easy. If you get your butt kicked you're more likely to remember things.

[tsrup]

We have a Guided Training Exercise coming up.  In the past I am sure the LR people put together the scenarios and we were simply handed input cards and performed the mission.  This year my State Director said it is up to the wing to put together the scenarios and the LR people will simply be there to help us out. 

According to CAP USAFI 10-2701 the LR people are supposed to come up with the scenarios.  In my opinion this is another attempt at those on the USAF side who are getting paid good  money to shrug more of their work off on the CAP volunteers.

How do other wing Guided Training Exercise scenarios get planned?

see you in Aberdeen..

[sdcapmx]

I'm pretty sure you can't fail a GTE.  CAP USAF better know the wings capabilities.  If they are that far out of touch with their wing then they better get more involved.

No TSRUP you won't see me there.  Got to go to Sturgis for something. 

[lordmonar]

Letting the USAF make the scenerio...when they don't know your capabilities....will only make it more likely that your wing will fail the GTE.

Isn't that the point? You don't learn a whole lot if things are easy. If you get your butt kicked you're more likely to remember things.

May be...and I agree I would like to see some harder standards and all....but what's to complain about?

"Teacher said she was going to give us a test....but it was only an open book quize!"

Are we really going to complain?

It is the USAF's standard to do these exercises and inspections.....they are the one's setting the standard.  If they don't feel the need to keep the bar high......the we set the bar ourselves....but we don't complain about them not doing their job.  We can do our own scenrios.  We can do our own trusted agents, and keep the ORI plan a secret just like any hard core SAC reaming (I mean ORI).

But req quoteing because the USAF said you can do your own scenerio....is a little childish.  The only thing that may be useful is if CAP-USAF did not know what their field inspectors were doing....hence the comment to call the AU IG.

[Eclipse]

Take the opportunity to build good scenarios yourself, or relax a bit and focus on process and procedure, or don't...

[tsrup]

I'm pretty sure you can't fail a GTE.  CAP USAF better know the wings capabilities.  If they are that far out of touch with their wing then they better get more involved.

No TSRUP you won't see me there.  Got to go to Sturgis for something.

I'll be in Sturgis the following monday.  High probability that its the related to the same "something"

[Eclipse]

I'm pretty sure you can't fail a GTE.  CAP USAF better know the wings capabilities.  If they are that far out of touch with their wing then they better get more involved.

No TSRUP you won't see me there.  Got to go to Sturgis for something.

You sure can.  For starters you won't simply don't accomplish your missions, or you do them so poorly as to effectively fail.

Since they are AFAM's, screwing up in certain ways could be very "bad", especially with Big Bro Blue standing behind you.  CAP-USAF generates a full AAR in the same format as the eval, the difference being this is a practice test where you can (and are expected to) as the CAP-USAF people for assistance advice, and even intervention.

[sdcapmx]

It is pretty simple according to CAP USAFI 10-2701 who is supposed to come up with the scenarios.  The LR.  See a section of that reg below.  That is what they get paid to do.  What good is a test if you write it for yourself.  Our wing is up for challenge so bring it on. 

Also let's not get the Ops Eval and the GTE confused.  The GTE is for the CAP USAF people to guide and help us complete the scenario.  Not to pass of fail us.  Very different than the Ops Eval.


1.2.4. Evaluate each CAP wing Operational Evaluation (OPS EVAL) biennially and participate in a GTE in the off year. Biennial GTEs and OPS EVALs are designed to exercise and evaluate CAP's ability to operate under the NIMS. Scenarios, developed by the LR, will focus on CAP's core missions (SAR, DR, HLS, and CD, if applicable) and CAP's advanced technologies (satellite digital imaging and hyperspectral imaging).

[isuhawkeye]

I ran into a similar situation when I was DOS.  In that case we assigned 1-2 members to work as trusted agents and Controllers.  This gave the CAP/USAF team a perspective and a reality check on our capabilities. 

[Eclipse]

Also let's not get the Ops Eval and the GTE confused.  The GTE is for the CAP USAF people to guide and help us complete the scenario.  Not to pass of fail us.  Very different than the Ops Eval.

I'm not confused about anything, except for why you are making a public issue about an activity you can't even be bothered to participate in.

[Larry Mangum]

I'm pretty sure you can't fail a GTE.  CAP USAF better know the wings capabilities.  If they are that far out of touch with their wing then they better get more involved.

No TSRUP you won't see me there.  Got to go to Sturgis for something.

A wing can definitely fail a "GTE", I know of at least one wing that has done so and was suspended from utilizing training funds until they proved to the LR that they had corrected the severe deficiencies identified during the GTE.

[sdcapmx]

Hmm, that is interesting that you say a wing can fail a GTE but yet our CAP USAF region commander states the following:

"We will have a team in place to observe and provide both positive and constructive critique, but not evaluation.  The team will not grade anything."

So if it is not graded, how do you fail it?

[Eclipse]

So if it is not graded, how do you fail it?

We've already answered that question, see above.

[Spaceman3750]

was suspended from utilizing training funds until they proved to the LR that they had corrected the severe deficiencies identified during the GTE.

Suspending a wing from using training funds until they correct training deficiencies is a pretty big Catch 22, no?

[Al Sayre]

Hmm, that is interesting that you say a wing can fail a GTE but yet our CAP USAF region commander states the following:

"We will have a team in place to observe and provide both positive and constructive critique, but not evaluation.  The team will not grade anything."

So if it is not graded, how do you fail it?

You can fail a GTE by committing a major safety violation (or multiple minor ones) during the exercise...

[Eclipse]

was suspended from utilizing training funds until they proved to the LR that they had corrected the severe deficiencies identified during the GTE.

Suspending a wing from using training funds until they correct training deficiencies is a pretty big Catch 22, no?

No - you don't need any AFAM money to correct procedures, hold stand-downs for remedial training, or retrain / fire someone who is
not doing their job properly.

Our ORM procedure virtually insure that any safety issue raised to the level of a funds freeze is either systemic, wholly unforeseen,
or the result of negligence.