Quick PD Question

[disamuel]

I completed all tasks for my IT tech rating. I had my commander sign the form at the end of the pamphlet but I switched units before it got entered in eServices. My new Commander was going to enter the achievement into eServices last night, but today she is asking me to first go into eServices to request the rating? Can I do that and if so where in eServices is that done? I'm thinking maybe it gets done by a PDO on my behalf?

As always thanks in advance.

[SilverEagle2]

You cannot, but your PDO or CC can. Not that hard if they know what they are doing. Incidentally, if you need the badge...I have a tech level badge in my stash.

[disamuel]

Ok, thanks that what I thought.

Now let me ask you this- Once the tech rating shows up in eServices, can I wear the badge right away, or do I need a personnel action form? If so does it need to go up the chain?

[Eclipse]

Depends on the badge.

I don't personally expect 2a's for things which are self-actualizing like encampments, PD, etc.  eServices says you did it, congrat!

However some badges have different rules - Comms, for instance, allows the commander to approve the Master Rating, but the Wing CC must approve the Master Badge.

Welcome to CAP.

[disamuel]

Ok Eclipse, thanks for the explanation. I am attending a Wing encampment as a senior member next week. Should I expect that to be entered into eServices after the encampment by the staff, or do I need to do that? Once it is entered, then you feel that I can wear the ribbon without any further paperwork. Am I stating it correctly?

This seems to be more complicated than it should be, but I am not deterred.

[Eclipse]

Assuming you complete at least 30 hours of staff service, credit for the encampment will be posted via a CAPF 20 submitted by your wing's State Director.  He has 45 days from the activity to submit that to NHQ, and they are pretty good about near-same-day posting of the credit.

Once that is posted, I would not personally expect you to submit a 2a, however some units / wings do, which is why most encampments will post a personnel authorization, certificates, or similar.

It really depends on your unit / wing's SOP.

[disamuel]

Ok, thanks for your help, I appreciate it.

[vento]

Assuming you complete at least 30 hours of staff service, credit for the encampment will be posted via a CAPF 20 submitted by your wing's State Director.  He has 45 days from the activity to submit that to NHQ, and they are pretty good about near-same-day posting of the credit.

Once that is posted, I would not personally expect you to submit a 2a, however some units / wings do, which is why most encampments will post a personnel authorization, certificates, or similar.

It really depends on your unit / wing's SOP.

Sir, could you please provide a cite for the 30 hours of staff service referenced above? I tried to look up the regs but failed to find it on R39-3. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong reg.
Thank you.

[ßτε]

Assuming you complete at least 30 hours of staff service, credit for the encampment will be posted via a CAPF 20 submitted by your wing's State Director.  He has 45 days from the activity to submit that to NHQ, and they are pretty good about near-same-day posting of the credit.

Once that is posted, I would not personally expect you to submit a 2a, however some units / wings do, which is why most encampments will post a personnel authorization, certificates, or similar.

It really depends on your unit / wing's SOP.

Sir, could you please provide a cite for the 30 hours of staff service referenced above? I tried to look up the regs but failed to find it on R39-3. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong reg.
Thank you.

CAPR 52-16 para. 5-8 c. (2)

[vento]

^^^ Wow, that was quick! Thank you! 

[disamuel]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

[MSG Mac]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

Cadet Special Activities are for Cadets. Not only do you not get a ribbon, you cannot attend as a student. 

[Hawk200]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

Cadet Special Activities are for Cadets. Not only do you not get a ribbon, you cannot attend as a student.

When did glider encampments become classed as cadet special activities? I've known a couple seniors that have attended glider encampments.

[davidsinn]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

Cadet Special Activities are for Cadets. Not only do you not get a ribbon, you cannot attend as a student.

When did glider encampments become classed as cadet special activities? I've known a couple seniors that have attended glider encampments.

Glider(and balloon?)is/are the only methods of senior member primary flight instruction allowed.

[Eclipse]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

Cadet Special Activities are for Cadets. Not only do you not get a ribbon, you cannot attend as a student.

NCSA Ribbons are awarded to both cadets and senior members.  Not all NCSA's are exclusive to cadet  training.  NESA, NBB, and HMRS
are three activities which provide training and qualification to both cadets and seniors and which also qualify for the NCSA ribbon.


See page 13 of CAPR 39-3

Cadet Specialty Activity Ribbon. Awarded to cadets and senior members who participate in the national cadet special activities listed below. NOTE: The senior member participants must be identified by the CAP project officer and approved by the member's region commander. Each subsequent activity is represented by a bronze star affixed to the basic ribbon. Cadets earning this ribbon may continue to wear the ribbon as a senior member.

Specialized Undergraduate Pilot Training Familiarization Course
Pararescue Orientation Course
Advanced Pararescue Course,
Air Force Space Command Familiarization Course
Air Force Computer Orientation Pro-gram (no longer offered—must have attended prior to 1995)
Blue Beret Activity
Senator Jennings Randolph Soaring School
USAF sponsored Chapel Leadership Conference
Hawk Mountain
National Flight Academy – Power Track
National Flight Academy – Glider Track
National Emergency Services Academy
Space Camp/Aviation Challenge
Jacksonville University/Comair Academy
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University Orientation Course
Cadet Officer School
National Honor Guard Academy
Advanced Technologies Academy
National Military Music Academy
Aerospace Education Academy at CAP Education and Training Facility, Oshkosh
Experimental Aircraft Association's Aerospace Education Academies
Aircraft Maintenance and Manufacturing Activity
Civic Leadership Academy

[Eclipse]

Ok, here is a wrinkle. What if you attend a glider encampment as a senior member, but as a student, not staff? Is there still a ribbon for that participation?

Cadet Special Activities are for Cadets. Not only do you not get a ribbon, you cannot attend as a student.

When did glider encampments become classed as cadet special activities? I've known a couple seniors that have attended glider encampments.

I don't believe there are any glider or flight "encampments" which qualify for Encampment credit (though many Encampments that include powered and glider activities), many have changed their name to reduce confusion.

NFA is the only flight-specific activity that qualifies as an "NCSA", which requires specific curriculum, structure, and NHQ approval.

For examples, ILWG runs the Johnson Flight Academy each year which shares facilities, instructors, and curriculum with an NFA Glider Academy, but so far has been unable to secure NCSA status.

[disamuel]

This is a Wing glider academy I'm asking about, not a National activity.

[ßτε]

There is not a ribbon for a wing glider academy. It would not count as an encampment nor as a NCSA.

[MIKE]

There is not a ribbon for a wing glider academy. It would not count as an encampment nor as a NCSA.

I would bet someone hosting a Flight/Glider "Encampment" at a recognized encampment night try to get cadets and seniors credit for an additional encampment in much the same way as you would for someone staffing the encampment itself.  The thing being that it has to be held concurrently at the same facility, and it does not count as ones initial encampment for cadet purposes i.e. content requirements of CAPR 52-16 apply.

[SarDragon]

A 52-16 encampment is a 52-16 encampment. That's what counts for the ribbon. I don't see how an add-on would count under any circumstances.

20. Criteria for Award of Activity Ribbons.
e. Encampment Ribbon. Awarded to cadets for satisfactory completion of an encampment and to senior members for service as a member of an encampment staff. Award of the ribbon is retroactive and clasps may be attached for repetitive awards