Is there any benefit to sending copies of your DD214 or military training

[Gumsaba1]

certificates for inclusion to your CAP record?

[brasda91]

nope.  National will most likely throw it away.  There are CAP-related items National won't even track in eServices.

[SJFedor]

Depends on what you've completed. Certain courses cross over to CAP PD equivalents.

[PHall]

A copy of your DD214 in your records that are at your unit is a good idea though.
Especially if you're wearing any military wings/badges on your uniform and if you're claiming credit for military PME for stuff like RSC and stuff like that.

[Eclipse]

They are un-needed paper in your file unless you are using them to substantiate an award, in which case they will be required.

[RiverAux]

Or if you're asking for a special promotion based on prior military rank.

[MSgt Van]

If you've been to some leadership training classes/academies it would be worthwhile.  They'll look at the Dd-214, and award equivalent CAP training credits. Mine got me squared away up to National Staff College.

{Let me clarify - sent copy to Nat'l,  don't have a copy in my CAP folder}

[AirAux]

If you are prior military, a copy should be in your unit records. 

[Eclipse]

If you are prior military, a copy should be in your unit records.

Repeating now.

If you need substantiation of your prior service for grade, training equivalence, or maybe even security clearance, it will be requested and required with the respective PA.

Otherwise, it is extra, unneeded paper.

[SunDog]

Show it if needed, but don't gag up a copy. At least one Region has exposed PII by accident. The less personal data you leave lying about, the better.

I thought long and hard about giving up my SSN to get a WMIRS ID, and also about supplying my actual birthday to National.

[NCRblues]

^
Why would you not give your birthdate....? Your birth certificate is public records anyway...so?

[RADIOMAN015]

The only thing you will need for CAP would be your military school graduation certificates if CAP is giving you equivalent PME credit.  When I gave them mine, I removed most of my social number from the certificate.  It got updated by National via our unit Professional development officer without a problem.

For the most part I get the impression that CAP is going more to a centralized computer & paper records keeping.   I would think that CAP should be digitizing most paper records received (e.g. member applications).  Too many pieces of paper filed at too many locations is a privacy/security threat to the member.
RM

[AirAux]

If you are prior service, you can't join unless you have an Honorable Discharge.  Therefore, as a CO, I want to see your DD214 for your prior training, any ribbons awarded, and your rank at time of discharge..  You would be amazed how many ex-Navy Seals are walking around (at least people claiming they are)..

[cap235629]

If you are prior service, you can't join unless you have an Honorable Discharge.  Therefore, as a CO, I want to see your DD214 for your prior training, any ribbons awarded, and your rank at time of discharge..  You would be amazed how many ex-Navy Seals are walking around (at least people claiming they are)..

CAPR 39-2

"d. Suitability. Subject to being waived by the Executive Director or National Commander, any one of the following may be the basis for rejection of membership.

1)Conviction of a felony by any court of record whether federal, state or military.

2)A pattern of arrests and/or convictions including but not limited to sex offenses, child abuse, DUIs, dishonesty and violence.

3)Discharge from the armed services under other than honorable conditions.

4)Falsification of information on the membership application.

5)Previously terminated or non renewed for cause from membership in CAP.

6)Any other unfavorable information brought to the attention of CAP officials at any level.

Emphasis mine.  Notice it says may rather than shallAs a Squadron Commander, it is NOT your call.  It is a NHQ decision based on looking at the totality of the circumstances.  A general discharge or even a BCD or dishonorable are not an automatic disqualifier.  Before DADT, a dishonorable discharge was in your future if you were found to be Gay.

Don't assume, read the regs!

[AirAux]

Very good Bill, now let's try it this way, discharge from the armed services under other than honorable conditions WILL be the basis for rejection of membership, UNLESS waived by the Executive Director or National Commander..  A poorly written Reg to say the least, but since it requires a waiver, it implies and means it happens unless the waiver occurs.  Not only must one read the Reg, one must understand what they have read..  So without applying for and receiving a waiver, your gay friend's membership will be terminated.  The termination is automatic without the waiver..

[cap235629]

The packet should never have been sent to National in the first place without a request for the waiver.  I am just trying to say take the time to understand the applicant's situation and send it up the chain.  The rules are there so EVERYONE gets the same chance EVERYWHERE in CAP.  Squadron Commanders have a responsibility to explain the waiver possibility to an applicant, not make the decision right their and show them the door.

Also the application for membership just asks for the information, not the DD214...

[RiverAux]

There is a reason that squadron commanders must sign off on these things, its not just a formality.

[cap235629]

I agree, the reason is to ensure completion an accuracy, not deciding the fate of the applicant.

[RiverAux]

Really?  So, a squadron commander is required to approve forms if they are accurate?  Wow, I need to put myself in for a few things and since the commander evidently has no authority, I'm golden. 

[cap235629]

here I go again, reading...

From the signature block of the form 12:

To be completed by commander or designated representative:
I certify that the applicant has been introduced to the Core Values, Ethics Policies, and Safety Policies, and that I have fully reviewed the OATH OF MEMBERSHIP (on reverse) with the potential new member. I further certify that a mentor has been assigned to assist this member in their orientation and training. Membership becomes effective when this application is approved and processed by National Headquarters.

emphasis mine.

Notice it doesn't say anything about the Commander approving the application?

Your signature ensures that those things listed in the preceding paragraph have been accomplished, nothing more, nothing less..