Proposal

[lordmonar]

I propose that CAP adopt the the CAWG GSAR (or a less blingy version there of) uniform as our national GSAR uniform.

It would be required for anyone who wishes to participate as a Ground Team (not UDF) Member.

This does several things:

1)  It just makes sence.  High Visibility is already a requirment for GSAR...why not just make it our uniform.

2) It will keep our ground forces uniformed throught the country eliminating any problems with interoperabilty.

What say you?

[davidsinn]

No. I already wear one uniform type for meetings, why should I wear another completely different one for missions when I wear a nice reflective orange vest over the one I've got?

[Strick]

Here we go again, I recommend buying an orange vest and ball CAP...............EASY FIX :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[N Harmon]

What say you?

Well, for starters I think you'll create a similar issue as we have with the polo shirts, in that everybody's shirt will be standardized but with a different shade of blue pants.

Do you tuck in the orange shirt? Because you're going to get a number of folks who seem to refuse to tuck in anything.

And is the shirt available in larger sizes for those of us who are a bit larger?

[lordmonar]

The blue pants issue are the same with the BBDU.  If we are having a problem with color controls there I have not heard anyone complain about it before.

As for tucking it in.....if that is way the shift is supposed to be worn...we just leave it to unit commanders, GTLs and GBDs to enforce it.

I got no problem with telling some to "tuck in your shirt".

As for having one unfiorm for meetings and one for other activities......how is that any different then air crew with their flight suits?  Are you suggesting that flight suits are an acceptable uniform for general meetings?  Are you suggesting that I can wear BDU's to the next Wing Banquet?  Because if memory serves that uniform is mess dress or civilian equivilant.

Yes...we are adding another uniform....which I don't like...but if we all change...then we all have the same uniform.

[RADIOMAN015]

I think in some states what causes the problems is senior members wearing military type BDU's versus more "civilian" type uniforms, such as our Blue BDU's.

Personnally, I think we have enough uniforms as it is, and a bright orange vest, ideally with some sort of Civil Air Patrol insignia on it would be the least costly for all. 

Also as a team we should be showing that we are Civil Air Patrol members (with appropriate rank, patches, etc).   I'm not aware of any other state that restricts the use of other organizations from showing who they are. 
RM 

[A.Member]

What say you?

I say that I hope I'm missing your sarcasm.

You're proposing a solution (and yet another uniform change) for a problem that doesn't exist.

Throw on a yellow/orange vest and be done with it.   Have another mission need?  Take off the vest.   Pretty simple and the best part is this....it's what we already do!

So, count me in the "nay" category.

[lordmonar]

The problem exists.

CAWG has a different uniform then the rest of the country.

My pet peeve is that we are NOT uniform.

Now....I got no real problem with the orange shift.  Except that is is just for CAWG.  CAWG goes out of state...they are out of uniform....if ORWG or NVWG got to CAWG we are out of uniform.

NHQ...approved the uniform (right, wrong, or indiferent...it is there).

So.....if the only reason why the uniform was approved was that CAL OES recommends it....then let's all do it.

We can put our rank on the uniform, names, unit patches.....other SAR orgs in CALI do.

[A.Member]

The problem exists.

CAWG has a different uniform then the rest of the country.

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NHQ...approved the uniform (right, wrong, or indiferent...it is there).

That's CAWG's problem.  They asked for it, not the other Wings.  CAWG (or any Wing for that matter) does not and should not drive what any of us do.   If you want to propose something, propose that CAWG resind their uniform change to get back in line with the rest of the organization.

[Eclipse]

That's CAWG's problem.

Yep.

CAWG has a solution for a problem that does not exist, even in CAWG.

[RiverAux]

So, because CA Wing somehow made all the locals so mad at them that they almost never get called out for GSAR missions and have almost no GSAR personnel the entire CAP should alter our uniforms?  Seems to be following the path of previous failure. 

[lordmonar]

So, because CA Wing somehow made all the locals so mad at them that they almost never get called out for GSAR missions and have almost no GSAR personnel the entire CAP should alter our uniforms?  Seems to be following the path of previous failure.

??

What does that have to do with the conversation?

Let's not start slamming anyone.

Just say "No...don't see the need".

[RiverAux]

Just stating the facts (or at least as has been related here by various CA Wing personnel in regards to why the Wing doesn't do GSAR).  The reasoning behind the adoption of the CA Wing uniform is certainly germane to the proposal to take it national.

2) It will keep our ground forces uniformed throught the country eliminating any problems with interoperabilty.

OR CA Wing could wear the same uniform as the rest of us.

[arajca]

I had a wing/cc who, while not personally agreeing with the idea, promised those who advocated it he would bring it up to the NB if they wrote up the proposal. He never brought it up because none of the advocates could be bothered to write it up. But they STILL complain about not being able to wear it.

[Spike]

ummm....no!  What purpose will adopting yet another uniform serve??

[Rotorhead]

Just stating the facts (or at least as has been related here by various CA Wing personnel in regards to why the Wing doesn't do GSAR).  The reasoning behind the adoption of the CA Wing uniform is certainly germane to the proposal to take it national.

2) It will keep our ground forces uniformed throught the country eliminating any problems with interoperabilty.

OR CA Wing could wear the same uniform as the rest of us.

Exactly.