Touche' Hawk..  I will try to do better in the future.

Quote from: AirAux on November 01, 2009, 05:02:05 AM
Touche' Hawk..  I will try to do better in the future.

The answer may have been served in the first response, but sometimes we learn from the tangents.

I have to say guys that after reading the postings on this, the comments and "humor" were a tad bit hard for a cadet / young adult / teen. There is no reason why the cadet in question should be hazed on this board for asking a question and seeking advice from us "Seniors" here on the board. If I were the cadet in question I would venture to say that I would not come back here to be treated like that.

So what if he didn't read the regs first or ask his unit first? Maybe he was embarrassed to bring it to their attention or wanted to avoid looking like a geek or moron to his peers. Does anyone remember the ill effects of unbridled teen peer-pressure? This board is not supposed to be a basic training brigade of drill sergeants for God's sake, and however unpopular it may be here, CAPTalk is not the Supreme Court of CAP and we should not be interrogating cadets like a traitorous suspect in some military court martial.

The kid is a cadet and deserves respect for wanting to be a part of CAP and for wanting to get it right "on his own" before going to his unit and looking like a horse's behind.

The fact is the cadet was respectful in his asking, he was in the right forum area for it, and he wasn't complaining / whining about anything or some perceived injustice. He just wanted to have a question answered and he got blasted by multiple artillery shells and blown out of the water for no real reason. Nice reception from his fellow CAPers.

I'm ashamed of the reaction he received from us on the board and I think he deserves an apology.

Quote from: Prospector on November 05, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
I have to say guys that after reading the postings on this, the comments and "humor" were a tad bit hard for a cadet / young adult / teen. There is no reason why the cadet in question should be hazed on this board for asking a question and seeking advice from us "Seniors" here on the board. If I were the cadet in question I would venture to say that I would not come back here to be treated like that.

So what if he didn't read the regs first or ask his unit first? Maybe he was embarrassed to bring it to their attention or wanted to avoid looking like a geek or moron to his peers. Does anyone remember the ill effects of unbridled teen peer-pressure? This board is not supposed to be a basic training brigade of drill sergeants for God's sake, and however unpopular it may be here, CAPTalk is not the Supreme Court of CAP and we should not be interrogating cadets like a traitorous suspect in some military court martial.

The kid is a cadet and deserves respect for wanting to be a part of CAP and for wanting to get it right "on his own" before going to his unit and looking like a horse's behind.

The fact is the cadet was respectful in his asking, he was in the right forum area for it, and he wasn't complaining / whining about anything or some perceived injustice. He just wanted to have a question answered and he got blasted by multiple artillery shells and blown out of the water for no real reason. Nice reception from his fellow CAPers.

I'm ashamed of the reaction he received from us on the board and I think he deserves an apology.

I am in agreement. I mean come on, as a senior cadet I know what this kind of attitude can do to a cadet. And from senior members. Its one thing for a cadet to "chew out" another (which is wrong in most circumstances) but for seniors to go wild on a most junior cadet. Now, I don't think an apology is totally necessary, however for the future a simple "check the regs" would have been sufficient.

Ive been in his shoes and there's nothing that discouraged me more than an over exaggerated response to an honest question especially from my superiors.

This is a forum, we are not superiors or followers. You won't seem me addressing Eclipse as Major Eclipse, even If I do so over other forms of communication/in person.

As for being a senior cadet, I could say something, but I wont. But maybe it's because I'm as senior as you are, but pushing 20, and still have to salute phase IV 16 year old C/Majors and up - not that I have a problem with it, the cadet program is what it is, and I follow it to the letter. I just don't see either of us as senior, especially since neither of us has Eaker or higher.

Quote from: USAFaux2004 on November 09, 2009, 03:11:27 PM
This is a forum, we are not superiors or followers. You won't seem me addressing Eclipse as Major Eclipse, even If I do so over other forms of communication/in person.

As for being a senior cadet, I could say something, but I wont. But maybe it's because I'm as senior as you are, but pushing 20, and still have to salute phase IV 16 year old C/Majors and up - not that I have a problem with it, the cadet program is what it is, and I follow it to the letter. I just don't see either of us as senior, especially since neither of us has Eaker or higher.

In the context of my sentence, by senior I mean a number of things. Senior as in experienced in dealing with the subject at hand, experienced in cadet program and CAP in general. You seem to take the term as a position or something numerically quantifiable. I'm not gonna slap a number on it and say "to be a senior cadet you must have been in CAP x amount of years... and so on" that would be wrong. Its not a position or a rank or grade its not something you get a badge for. Its just an adjective to describe someone's standing in a certain group of people or situation. Its like me saying "I speak from experience". Or like saying a Marine or Soldier fresh out of basic is a junior marine or junior soldier.

And as for having the eaker or whatever it may be, a rank doesn't necessarily indicate experience. However at the level of a C/Lt. Col. it generally would. But I could sure show you a few eaker or even some spatz cadets who sometimes, have no idea what there talking about on a given subject and that's fine, were all humans.

Quote"I speak from experience".

Whether a Lieutenant should be saying that is another question. 

But I can't seem to find the first shirt to ask him at the moment...

Quote from: Fuzzy on November 11, 2009, 03:20:58 AM

Quote"I speak from experience".

Whether a Lieutenant should be saying that is another question. 

But I can't seem to find the first shirt to ask him at the moment...

And just how much would a C/MSgt - C/CMSgt (5-7 Achievements into the program) know about judging a C/1st Lt (10-11 Achievements into the program)?

I'll have to ask him that too..

Enough of this measuring contest.