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I can wear a different uniform every meeting night of the month!  Never have to do laundry!

Quote from: jason.pennington on June 05, 2007, 09:34:28 PM
I can wear a different uniform every meeting night of the month!  Never have to do laundry!

* SMACK !! *

Quote from: MIKE on June 05, 2007, 04:15:03 PM
If I had my way the CAP distinctive uniforms and Corporate Uniform would be drastically reduced.

Me too.  I believe the TPU should have gray shoulder marks and nametags.  No more separating how the uniforms look because some general wants to play Air Force.  The focus should be on what the organization wants, not what one person wants.

I don't know what I'd like to see done to the other distinctive uniforms.  They look pretty good the way they are.      

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on June 04, 2007, 05:21:06 PM

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Quote from: ColonelJack on June 04, 2007, 12:28:18 AM

Quote from: 12211985 on June 03, 2007, 10:34:10 PM

Tony Pineda Uniform.

It is called that because he was the one who came up with it.

I predict it will go away when general Pineda goes away also. 

No, it most probably won't.  Not after all these SMs have spent the $160 a pop for one.  Including most (if not all) of the National Board, the NEC, and a whole lot of wing-level and lower officers.  You want to make a bunch of people very angry?  Tell 'em they're going to have to write that expense off.

Jack

Well, what if next year the Air Force decides it's had enough with the TPU and decides to give it the axe?  It is possible, you know.  Even though it is a corporate uniform, it includes distinctive Air Force epaulets, hard rank insignia, and silver braids.  If the Air Force decides it's had enough with the problems created by the TPU, CAP wouldn't be able to anything.    

The General sought and received approval for the TPU. Officially, the AF takes no position on CAP corporate uniforms.  Un officially, TP was told the TPU was OK with Big Mother Blue.

In fact the few minor changes to it (change to CAP cutouts from US, adding "Civil Air Patrol" to the nametags, etc) were done to address a couple of lingering doubts from the AF on the uniform after their review.  I wouldn't be too surprised to see the TPU become the standard service uniform (summer & winter version), replacing the AF style service uniform for senior members and maybe even the grey & white combo.  I's like to see the commissioning braid be standard blue or dark grey, otherwise I think it's a pretty sharp uniform.

I know this is spitting in the wind, but the AF would do well to take a page from the USCGs playbook. They are proud of their Auxiliary and the AD "Gold Side" are secure enough that they find it sufficient to have different color buttons and writing on the ODU ball cap. We keep talking about Pineda's attitude toward the membership, lets start talking about Mama Blue. IMHO if we are good enough to get up in the middle of the night and go looking for ELTs and downed aircraft, we are good enough to wear the uniform of our parent service. The USCG Aux is proud to wear the uniform of their parent service and it shows in their morale, recruiting, etc.

Just this newbies opinion.

Quote from: SARMedTech on July 08, 2007, 05:18:14 AM
I know this is spitting in the wind, but the AF would do well to take a page from the USCGs playbook. They are proud of their Auxiliary and the AD "Gold Side" are secure enough that they find it sufficient to have different color buttons and writing on the ODU ball cap. We keep talking about Pineda's attitude toward the membership, lets start talking about Mama Blue. IMHO if we are good enough to get up in the middle of the night and go looking for ELTs and downed aircraft, we are good enough to wear the uniform of our parent service. The USCG Aux is proud to wear the uniform of their parent service and it shows in their morale, recruiting, etc.

Just this newbies opinion.

This is one reason I believe the USCG Auxiliary is senior to CAP.  There is a much better relationship between the USCG Aux and the USCG than with CAP and the USAF.  I also believe that morale is higher among CG Auxiliary personnel because there is no identity crisis in the organization, and there are fewer uniform differences.     

Quote from: 12211985 on July 08, 2007, 06:37:49 AM

Quote from: SARMedTech on July 08, 2007, 05:18:14 AM
I know this is spitting in the wind, but the AF would do well to take a page from the USCGs playbook. They are proud of their Auxiliary and the AD "Gold Side" are secure enough that they find it sufficient to have different color buttons and writing on the ODU ball cap. We keep talking about Pineda's attitude toward the membership, lets start talking about Mama Blue. IMHO if we are good enough to get up in the middle of the night and go looking for ELTs and downed aircraft, we are good enough to wear the uniform of our parent service. The USCG Aux is proud to wear the uniform of their parent service and it shows in their morale, recruiting, etc.

Just this newbies opinion.

This is one reason I believe the USCG Auxiliary is senior to CAP.  There is a much better relationship between the USCG Aux and the USCG than with CAP and the USAF.  I also believe that morale is higher among CG Auxiliary personnel because there is no identity crisis in the organization, and there are fewer uniform differences.     

Well, it's apples and oranges, too.  The USCG peacetime mission is largely law enforcement, SAR and the like - which their aux is clearly close to.  They do a better job of having individual auxies fill in for AD sailors which we really don't do (except for chaplains).  Because the missions are so similar, they fit together well which I believe may foster a closer relationship.  CGAUX also has no weight standards for uniform wear, so there are individuals who can wear their uniform that couldn't wear our USAF style.  I'll leave it to you to decide  if you think that this is because the value of the cg auxies are so much that they will tolerate a seriously non-military appearance in their uniform, or because the USCG in general is a less "military" community than USAF and doesn't care as much about a military appearance (yes I know that they are a uniformed military service, but in peacetime they are DHS, not DOD).

Although they do a great job on the water, the CG Aux has tried for many years to have an effective aviation presence, largely without widespread success.  In part, this is because they are dependant on member-owned aircraft.  On the other hand, I shudder to think about a CAP crew launching a boat.

Also, the USCG is so chronically underfunded that they welcome with enthusiasm any help the cgaux can give.

The politics of the cgaux are interesting as well.  Different from CAP, but just as interesting.

The mission of the majority of the USAF is to get fire & steel on target - on time, to get troops & tanks in badguy land where and when needed, & keep beans & bullets coming to those troops - often on the other side of the world.  CAP really doesn't do any of that.  A large part of CAP's value to the USAF is to handle the non-combat things that the USAF is required by statute to do but doesn't necessarily want or have the resources for (i.e inland domestic SAR) and as a pipeline for airmen & officers (cadet program).  We're just now starting to do some support to the AF warfighters (aerial photo's, target simulation, etc) and we're doing it well.  Many of our newer air force assigned missions actually support other federal agencies (EPA, DHS, FEMA).  I wouldn't expect our relationship with the parts of the mainstream USAF to be as close as the cg-cgaux because the missions are largely different.  The uscg is also much smaller than the USAF and most coast guardsmen have worked with auxies at some point in their career.  Not necessarily true for USAF.

What I have seen is that the relationship between CAP and the parts of the USAF who know who we are (and to who we bring value) is very good.  With rare exception, the USAF guys who we work with regard us very highly.  Unfortunately, alot of the USAF never sees us due to the mission discrepancy.

There's often discussion that we should be a full-time aux, like the cgaux.  Maybe not such a good idea for us.  Aside from the major change in federal legislation that would be required to make this happen, you'd lose many state and local missions that the flexibility of corporate status allows us to do now.  In fact, because of the differences above I  worry that there would not be enough for a full-time, "federal mission only" AF auxiliary to do to justify it's continued existence.

I would very much like to see more cooperative work between CAP and cgaux.

^  We could have been the "true AF AUX" when the laws were rewritten a few years ago.  If we want a change......go talk to you REPS in DC.  Perhaps one day we will be the "United States Air Force Auxiliary".  Most likely in 60 years when they open up that time capsule we planted at Maxwell.  Once they open up that tin can and see "U.S. Civil Air Patrol" they will be like "what the crap is U S CAP?

Just wishful thinking on my part I guess.  I do think we will end up loosing the AF style uniform because a member decides to play General one day.  Not sure when.....but it will happen.

Quote from: JCJ on July 08, 2007, 05:09:50 AM

Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on June 04, 2007, 05:21:06 PM

Quote from: 12211985 on June 04, 2007, 12:51:30 AM

Quote from: ColonelJack on June 04, 2007, 12:28:18 AM

Quote from: 12211985 on June 03, 2007, 10:34:10 PM

Tony Pineda Uniform.

It is called that because he was the one who came up with it.

I predict it will go away when general Pineda goes away also. 

No, it most probably won't.  Not after all these SMs have spent the $160 a pop for one.  Including most (if not all) of the National Board, the NEC, and a whole lot of wing-level and lower officers.  You want to make a bunch of people very angry?  Tell 'em they're going to have to write that expense off.

Jack

Well, what if next year the Air Force decides it's had enough with the TPU and decides to give it the axe?  It is possible, you know.  Even though it is a corporate uniform, it includes distinctive Air Force epaulets, hard rank insignia, and silver braids.  If the Air Force decides it's had enough with the problems created by the TPU, CAP wouldn't be able to anything.    

The General sought and received approval for the TPU. Officially, the AF takes no position on CAP corporate uniforms.  Un officially, TP was told the TPU was OK with Big Mother Blue.

In fact the few minor changes to it (change to CAP cutouts from US, adding "Civil Air Patrol" to the nametags, etc) were done to address a couple of lingering doubts from the AF on the uniform after their review.  I wouldn't be too surprised to see the TPU become the standard service uniform (summer & winter version), replacing the AF style service uniform for senior members and maybe even the grey & white combo.  I's like to see the commissioning braid be standard blue or dark grey, otherwise I think it's a pretty sharp uniform.

I absolutely SHUDDER to think of the TPU becoming the 'standard' dress uniform.

You know, no matter you do, you're not going to get everybody to agree on this subject.  You're beating a dead horse.

BRIAN B.

Quote from: SAR-EMT1 on July 08, 2007, 05:02:08 PM
I absolutely SHUDDER to think of the TPU becoming the 'standard' dress uniform.

As do I.

Quote from: Grumpy on July 08, 2007, 11:59:33 PM
You know, no matter you do, you're not going to get everybody to agree on this subject.  You're beating a dead horse.

BRIAN B.

Quote from: MIKE on June 03, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
I like how the CGAux does it, and also the RAFVR(T).  The CGAux has red and blue As on the metal insignia.  My windbreaker/lightweight blue jacket has gold bars with red As on the epaulets, as does my garrison cap.





In comparison the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve (Training)... Which are commissioned officers BTW, wear gold VR with a T underneath pins on the lapels of their service dress and pinned to standard RAF epaulet sleeves.



Now, we probably don't need to differentiate between appointed (red A) and elected (blue A) officers like the CGAux does.  Red As might stand out better and would be a nod to the red epaulets of old.  We could also go back to wearing CAP on the lapels of the service dress or perhaps keep the U.S. but with an A underneath for "Auxiliary" not America... Or wear CAP cutouts on the epaulets as before.

... And take all of this and put it under a more RAFVR(T)/ATC model.

Well, I can't help but to dig up old topics 

Another suggestion, and it's not quite the equine flogging one might think, is to have another competent manufacturer create insignia with the CAP tri-prop emblem similar to the EMS rank insignia as seen in this link:

EMS Rank Insignia

Quote from: sandman on February 01, 2009, 07:53:08 PM

Quote from: MIKE on June 03, 2007, 05:07:03 PM
I like how the CGAux does it, and also the RAFVR(T).  The CGAux has red and blue As on the metal insignia.  My windbreaker/lightweight blue jacket has gold bars with red As on the epaulets, as does my garrison cap.





In comparison the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve (Training)... Which are commissioned officers BTW, wear gold VR with a T underneath pins on the lapels of their service dress and pinned to standard RAF epaulet sleeves.



Now, we probably don't need to differentiate between appointed (red A) and elected (blue A) officers like the CGAux does.  Red As might stand out better and would be a nod to the red epaulets of old.  We could also go back to wearing CAP on the lapels of the service dress or perhaps keep the U.S. but with an A underneath for "Auxiliary" not America... Or wear CAP cutouts on the epaulets as before.

... And take all of this and put it under a more RAFVR(T)/ATC model.

Well, I can't help but to dig up old topics 

Another suggestion, and it's not quite the equine flogging one might think, is to have another competent manufacturer create insignia with the CAP tri-prop emblem similar to the EMS rank insignia as seen in this link:

EMS Rank Insignia

It looks sharp but you know our parent organization won't go for it because from a short distance away we would look like the active duty dudes.  Plus some individual would pull some stupid stunt and ruin it for everyone else.  Just like they did so many long years ago.

Quote from: LtCol White on June 03, 2007, 10:50:27 PMI doubt we'll see metal rank on the coats again. Possible but prob not.

What WOULD work is take the blue epaulets with CAP on them and put those on both the USAF coat and the TPU coat. Use the same blue epaulets on the USAF shirts and the TPU shirts. Blue name tag for both shirts. Put CAP cutouts back on the USAF coat. The blue epaulets would be worn on all jackets, sweaters, etc for both uniforms.

Doing this would make both uniforms more similar. All insignia would be the same. USAF would be happy because no more metal rank on the TPU and TPU epaulets would have CAP on them and not look like Reg USAF ones. CAP members would be happy because grey would be gone. Then CAP promises to enforce the F*** out of uniform regs for wear of the USAF uniforms.

Just my 2 cents.

I could live with your suggestion since I loathe the idea of having the blue AF epaulets on the TPU instead of simply using the grey epaulets which were already available. If your suggestion is heeded then we'll be returning to the same epaulet style we had when I first joined as a cadet, epaulets which were subsequently replaced by the "Berry boards." I still have some of the original blue epaulets that another member gave to me since he no longer wanted them as they had become obsolete .

Quote from: sandman on February 01, 2009, 07:53:08 PM

Well, I can't help but to dig up old topics 

Another suggestion, and it's not quite the equine flogging one might think, is to have another competent manufacturer create insignia with the CAP tri-prop emblem similar to the EMS rank insignia as seen in this link:

EMS Rank Insignia

Sorry, quick tangent off topic (but r/t uniforms).

Okay, how many of you EMT's/Paramedics are thinking of using these on your uniforms (if not already using)?? 

Here's another uniform item suggestion if you hadn't already considered it (from NAEMT):

Lighthouse Uniform: Uniforms for EMS

EMS Striping / Certification

Comprehensive Sleeve Strip List

No replies necessary, just a public service announcement for those of you who are EMS qualified!

v/r
Sandman

That's funny, because my local ambulance company has been rocking Class A's for as long as I can remember.

I work for a private, so the only uniform we wear is our duty uniform.

http://catalog.lighthouseuniform.com/ems/

Those guys look like airline pilots.

And on a side note, the pic of the guy "holding" the link box on the left side of the uniformed fellers, somehow doesn't look right. 

where can you get the blues service coat for seniors?