Just found out on on television that MA Sen. Ted Kennedy, the younger brother of JFK, passed away late Tuesday night from brain cancer. Regardless of what you think about his political views and positions, America has lost a major figure in its political history. He passed away at his vacation home. Let's keep the Kennedy family in our prayers.
That is definantly sad news. Him and his family were icons during a troubled period in Americas history. Thoughts and prayers to the family
A truly sad day for all of us. My prayers and thoughts go out to his family.
Quote from: 1st Lt Daniel Sauerwein on August 26, 2009, 05:37:29 AM
Just found out on on television that MA Sen. Ted Kennedy, the younger brother of JFK, passed away late Tuesday night from brain cancer. Regardless of what you think about his political views and positions, America has lost a major figure in its political history. He passed away at his vacation home. Let's keep the Kennedy family in our prayers.
Most of what you said is correct. However he WAS NOT at his vacation home. He lived at the Kennedy Compond in Hyannis.
Tough month for that family.
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It was certainly an interesting life he led. I wish I had his gumption.
From what I'm hearing it appears that he cheated an early exodus at least twice once in a plane crash, and once in a tragic car accident. That would have been all 4 Kennedy boys dying from other than natural causes. They also mentioned that he lived in chronic back pain for over 40 years yet you can see none of that as he spoke and threw his arms in the air and such. I guess that speaks to his passion.
Any idea why they called him "Ted" instead of Ed?
The Kennedy family stood up for Civil Rights in the 60's and for that I think he is an icon of our time. he wasnt afraid to stand up for what was right.
Quote from: IceNine on August 27, 2009, 04:57:48 AMAny idea why they called him "Ted" instead of Ed?
It's not uncommon for 'Ted' to be used as a nickname for someone named Edward.
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Quote from: flyguy06 on August 27, 2009, 06:35:04 AM
...he wasnt afraid to stand up for what was right.
Unless it was his marriage vows or the laws about leaving the scene of an accident or the precepts of his religon
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Because most Americans have poor memory, and the press an even shorter attention span.
After watching several of the News Shows, I think the media has an opinion that the senatorial seat is a Kennedy birthright. Joe Kennedy says he's not running but lets see in a few days.
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Because, not all patriotic Americans are conservatives.
Quote from: DogCollar on August 27, 2009, 01:12:47 PM
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Because, not all patriotic Americans are conservatives.
Amen!
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Keep the politics of either side out of the discussion. Only warning.
How long is a flag flown at half staff for a deceased Senator??
Why are US Flags in States other than where the Government Official is from flown at half staff (at state institutions primarily, I understand federal installations and buildings)??
I only ask because the local elementary school took down the State flag to lower the US Flag. It was an oversight I think on the part of the school leadership, but I did not think local schools were "Federal institutions or property".
Quote from: Spike on August 27, 2009, 07:30:56 PM
How long is a flag flown at half staff for a deceased Senator??
Why are US Flags in States other than where the Government Official is from flown at half staff (at state institutions primarily, I understand federal installations and buildings)??
I only ask because the local elementary school took down the State flag to lower the US Flag. It was an oversight I think on the part of the school leadership, but I did not think local schools were "Federal institutions or property".
For members of Congress (Senate or House), it is lowered the day of death and the following day.
I can't answer the rest of it.
I'd like to remind people that on a website where we do represent ourselves as members of CAP, there is some amount of decorum and civility we should try and maintain.
Ignoring politics for a moment, Senator Kennedy served the people of his state by representing them for nearly 5 decades, and he was a member of the US Army, a fellow man in uniform. He lived through much family tragedy, losing one brother in World War II, and seeing his other two fall to assassin's bullets. He saw his nephew die in a plane crash. Despite all of this, he forged ahead, serving in the senate and fighting strongly for ideals he thought were right. He continued that fight right to the very end, despite battling a terrible cancer that eventually killed him. These things are all true whether you agreed with every vote he made or not.
We should respect that. Certainly while behaving as members of CAP, we should be holding to that, as respect is one of our core values.
^ His sister also died in a plane crash shortly after WW2. He too walked away from a terrible plane crash that should have killed him. I think I read he was in a body cast for almost 7 months.
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Because if it werent for him and people that think like him.i wouldnt a Captain in the U.S. Army today. We would still be drinking out of segregated water fountains.
Its amazing how the only thing peple think about when they think about Ted Kennedy is a tragic incident. They forget about the Civil Rights legislation that was past. Guess thats not really important to thiese folks. But it is important to millions of Americans nation wide. Its a turning point in our history. Again, I guess it depends on your values and beliefs and whats important. The Kennedy family believed in equal rights when the rest of priviledged America did not. I think thati s pretty significant.
People born after, let's say 1975-1980, would even remember this stuff ans some of the IMPORTANT things individuals did do for the country
Every thing after 1980 seems more important. Anything earlier and some of these folks would not know it unless they read something about history. "Cuz to them its "ancient history."
;D dang. That makes me feel old.I asked a young person the other dayif he knew who Jimmy Carter was. his reply to me was "Isnt he thatold guy that builds houses for people?" I said "wow" :o
Quote from: flyguy06 on August 27, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: Pumbaa on August 27, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
He propagated illegal immigration, draconian gun control, and more recently, government run health care. Why are any patriotic Americans mourning?
Because if it werent for him and people that think like him.i wouldnt a Captain in the U.S. Army today. We would still be drinking out of segregated water fountains.
Mike warned us not to get political. Yet here we go!
You know there were African American Officers in the Army way back in the 1870's.
However, the first Spanish American Officer was admitted in 1912.
The First Woman Officer was shortly before that.
The First Chinese Officer was in 1905.
Don't forget the impact of people whose name was NOT Kennedy.
I love history. More people should get interested in it. It has a very real way of relating to our generation and the challenges we face. We should learn from the mistakes of past generations and not blame people today for their stupid decisions.
In 100 years, this same conversation will take place, though the names will be different, and we will have all been forgotten. Sad yes, but life does go on.
I am more interested in reading and writing about Kennedy's dedication to OUR Country, than about politics.
Thanks Spike. Locked. The rest of you can express your condolences or feelings on another site.