Admin: You may want this in the "Marketplace". Your choice.I know for a fact that CAP "credentials" are good to go for this so if you go to OAKLEY GOVERNMENT SALES (https://usstandardissue.com/) you can get up to 50% off of Oakley glasses, goggles, gloves, footwear, etc.
I got issued a pair of the Oakley SF Assault boots when I was in the PJ squadron and love them so much I bought another pair and I just bought a tan pair for deployment. I've bought glasses for friends at about half price.
You have to register and send them proof of your status (EMS, ES, Mil, Fed, LE, etc). I recently had a friend use his CAP ID so it does work. I'd mention something about Emergency Services or AIR FORCE AUXILIARY just to play it safe.
Go to their site, register and in one work day you'll have access to purchase stuff.
As an example, those boots were $200+ and I got them for $120.
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4226.0;attach=1604)
PS: YOU CAN'T SEE EVEN 1/3 OF THE ITEMS YOU CAN BUY UNTIL YOU GET REGISTERED. THERE ARE LITERALLY 100s OF ITEMS AT UP TO 60% OFF REGULAR PRICE.
FYI... The Air Force (and CAP) pretty much authorizes any "all black/leather" boots for use in BDUs, BBDUs, and Flight Suits. However, if you do happen to get a pair of the black boots, I suggest getting the 8" because they're more inline with standard military boots versus the 6" ones I was issued at the PJ squadron. Yes, USAF actually purchases Oakley boots and issues it to folks like PJs because they're perfect for doing rescue missions and working around a Pavehawk, jumping from a C-130 or running with a whole bunch of gear on your back.
I wear the 6" boots at work and with my CAP flightsuit. But I just bought a pair of 8" desert boots for an upcoming deployment. I've been wearing them all day to break them in and I'll admit, they feel nice; like athletic shoes.
(http://www.tandtuniforms.com/catalog/images/oakley%2011096.jpg)
Think ^ these ^ are 6" boots.
Got these gloves too. Black for work and tan for the desert. I've worn them for about 3 weeks now and love'em. Good dexterity and the knuckles can put a hurtin' on the bad guy's face if you know what I mean....
(http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/images/oakleyMTBgloves_lg.jpg)
These are the Oakley "Half Jackets" that I got issued from the Air Force and just so happens, from my previous job at the World Bank. They feel and look good. There are two styles of lenses, I have the ones shown here that have a more squared look to them.
(http://www.cloggs.co.uk/content/ebiz/cloggs/invt/2558/halfjktxlj_jetblk_blkirid_m.jpg)
My home Fire Department got into this page pretty good. the glasses are stylish, cheap, and meet many safety standards
Quote from: Stonewall on February 04, 2008, 01:46:51 AM
Got these gloves too. Black for work and tan for the desert. I've worn them for about 3 weeks now and love'em. Good dexterity and the knuckles can put a hurtin' on the bad guy's face if you know what I mean....
(http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/images/oakleyMTBgloves_lg.jpg)
Those look like they would be good for riding, too, and not the kind of thing you see in the corner motorcycle shop.
Quote from: Eclipse on February 04, 2008, 03:45:41 AMThose look like they would be good for riding, too, and not the kind of thing you see in the corner motorcycle shop.
Funny you should say that. A guy at work saw mine and said he had a pair for riding. He paid full price for his though. WOW! They cost $70 here. (http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/product_info.php/products_id/36) Got mine for $35 from the Government Sales Site.
Quote from: Stonewall on February 04, 2008, 01:46:51 AM
Got these gloves too. Black for work and tan for the desert. I've worn them for about 3 weeks now and love'em. Good dexterity and the knuckles can put a hurtin' on the bad guy's face if you know what I mean....
(http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/images/oakleyMTBgloves_lg.jpg)
I like the gloves alot. The pair I have now are kevlar lined Franklin Uniforces. I wear them for rescue work and also when dealing with "non-compliant" patients who may or may not have been patted down. Im wondering if the knuckles on the Oaklies would break tempered auto glass (side windows) since they look like they would work great as extrication gloves. Not that I am big on punching a window, but in a pinch....
Also wondering if my IMERT ID would work as government ID, or my state issued EMT license or National Registry number. Let me know what you think Kirt.
Quote from: SARMedTech on February 04, 2008, 07:07:27 AMAlso wondering if my IMERT ID would work as government ID, or my state issued EMT license or National Registry number. Let me know what you think Kirt.
You're a member of CAP, right? Use your CAP ID. If not, I'd go with IMERT because practically anyone can be an EMT without having an affiliation with a governmental agency. With your IMERT stuff, there is a small box for "additional info", I'd throw a rew words describing your affiliation. Also, you may want to pass this info on at your next IMERT meeting....spread the wealth.
Yeah I was just wondering if the IMERT ID would work since we have several Oakley junkies on board.
The CAP Photo ID works. I just registered and was approved in less than 2 hours.
Thanks for the info on that site.
CAP nonphoto ID works as well. Thanks for the tip.
I've been meaning to post on this subject but never did.
So, I tested the Wiley-X CTAG (Combat/Tactical Assault Gloves) and the Oakley SI Assault Gloves in the desert. I have to go hands down (no pun) on the Wiley-X's.
While Oakley's classy and it matched my sunglasses, the quality wasn't there compared to the Wiley-X's. I used each for about 3 months (give or take), and the Wiley-X's held up fine with the exception of a very small part on one finger of one glove where the non-slip rubber was starting to wear off.
In the same time, I already had a tear in the webbing between the thumb and forefinger on one of the Oakley's, and several of the non-slip rubber dots fell off on the finger and on the back-of-the-hand grip of both gloves.
So, my there-and-back assessment of tactical/assault gloves is with Wiley-X.
Quote from: McLarty on February 07, 2008, 03:38:06 AMSo, my there-and-back assessment of tactical/assault gloves is with Wiley-X.
Where were you 2 months ago when I ordered my Oakleys?
Good thing is I can buy 2 sets of Oakley gloves for the price of one Wiley-X. I used to have a pair of Wiley-X gloves but I don't know what happened to them....
oh yeah, I gave them to you to use in the desert.
Quote from: BigMojo on February 05, 2008, 05:18:55 PM
The CAP Photo ID works. I just registered and was approved in less than 2 hours.
Thanks for the info on that site.
Yep, same here.
Just wanted to bump this back up and remind everyone of this opportunity through Oakley.
The website changed a little bit but the process for applying is the same. Plus, they have some new glasses out, which I bought, of course.
I came across the Oakley retail store in a San Antonio mall where I saw a pair of glasses for $170. On the site they were $55.
I just received a pair of FIVES today from them. I ordered them exactly one week ago, not bad considering it was a holiday weekend and I live on the opposite coast. The pricing can't be beat, and they look so cool as well.
Yes, they're pretty darn fast with their shipping too. Usually takes a week.
Just to give everyone an example of the savings you can get.
I found these glasses for $140 through a discount store. On the Oakley government site they're $55.
(http://images.usoutdoorstore.com/usoutdoorstore/products/full/o_flakjkt_blkblki_07.jpg)
And these for $155, but again, only $55 on the site above. I bought both of these glasses for less than one pair costs at the cheapest place I could find them...
(http://images.usoutdoorstore.com/usoutdoorstore/products/full/o_radarpath_jblkgry_07.jpg)
Quote from: SARMedTech on February 04, 2008, 07:07:27 AM
Quote from: Stonewall on February 04, 2008, 01:46:51 AM
Got these gloves too. Black for work and tan for the desert. I've worn them for about 3 weeks now and love'em. Good dexterity and the knuckles can put a hurtin' on the bad guy's face if you know what I mean....
(http://www.trgear.com/osc/eshop/images/oakleyMTBgloves_lg.jpg)
I like the gloves alot. The pair I have now are kevlar lined Franklin Uniforces. I wear them for rescue work and also when dealing with "non-compliant" patients who may or may not have been patted down. Im wondering if the knuckles on the Oaklies would break tempered auto glass (side windows) since they look like they would work great as extrication gloves. Not that I am big on punching a window, but in a pinch....
I have a pair very similar for riding, and yes, they'll put a hurting on anything you hit, including car windows.
(Of note, your post inspired me, so I took a trip out to the local junkyard to test it out. Works like a champ, and made me feel pretty BA ;D )
Got my account approved, no fuss, no muss, no problem with CAP photo ID.
You're a lifesaver.
I was about 6 hours away from ordering a pair of sunglasses that I've been waiting for a 108 Reimbursement for, my better half assumes that money I spend on missions is gone so I use my reimbursement to buy toys mission equipment.
So, anyway I'll now not spend 150+ more like 64, your the best UK
Quote from: IceNine on July 13, 2008, 06:01:21 PM
You're a lifesaver.
I was about 6 hours away from ordering a pair of sunglasses that I've been waiting for a 108 Reimbursement for, my better half assumes that money I spend on missions is gone so I use my reimbursement to buy toys mission equipment.
So, anyway I'll now not spend 150+ more like 64, your the best UK
Oh, the SHAME!
Reminds me of two stories:
Fire guys for the town I worked in received their uniform allowances via direct check, even if their pay went direct deposit.
When the town tried to save money by doing DD for the uniform allowances, the union jumped in with both feet to block it, because for years a lot of guys used those checks as secret "mad money".
My SD was telling me that at a going away party for a reservist, the commander remarked at the dedication of his people despite the long hours and low pay. One wife loudly turned to her husband and shouted "you get PAID for this?!?!" ;D
Just wanted to bump this up. I've gotten several PMs and posts from folks saying that they've used this site.
ADMIN: May want to stickify this?
If your CAP ID doesn't work, just use this guy's CAC:
(http://op-for.com/new%20CAT%20card.jpg)
^ :D Should have used his real rank from when he was in though.
I once got punched by a Chuck Norris impersonator.......does that count as celebrities I have met for the other "who have you met" thread??
BTW....UK.......I just got my order......they will be replacing the more expensive pair I was going to take in about 40 days overseas. Now I need to dump them on some unsuspecting new 2LT. >:D
BEST heads up on CAPTALK in a very long time. Thanks Man!!
Bump...
Use this opportunity...get someone a pair of $180 glasses for $55.
Thanks for the reminder...you the man, UK. :)
Bump.
Just made an order today for a birthday gift for my sister and remembered this thread. It's only been a month and a half since I last bumped it, but figured I'd do it again anyway.
***BUMPAGE***
Got my certifications in to them, no issues, I can now buy...
I have to get in to the eye doctor so I can get a new prescription. I've been eying up those Half Jacket sunglasses for a long time.
Thanks for the heads up on this stuff. Awsome site!
UK - you should hear some of the disparaging remarks from the Brits about the American troops and their sunglasses. 8)
Uploaded my ID today... Killed a pair of Revo's and Maui Jim's in the past two years... looking for replacements..
Quote from: Fifinella on May 13, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
UK - you should hear some of the disparaging remarks from the Brits about the American troops and their sunglasses. 8)
They're just jealous. (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0041.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0008.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0024.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0003.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0010.gif)
Just bumping this bad boy back up for new folks to see. Looks like the links from the first page are still good.
If you're in need of some glasses, boots, gloves...Oakley will hook you up. Just follow the registration instructions and you'll be in there like swimwear.
50 to 70% off simply because you serve.
Quote from: Fifinella on May 13, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
UK - you should hear some of the disparaging remarks from the Brits about the American troops and their sunglasses. 8)
Since when, around WW II? 8) ;D
What's the preferred model for Oakley sunglasses?
Quote from: MSgt Van on January 16, 2010, 03:27:41 AM
What's the preferred model for Oakley sunglasses?
For every day wear, I prefer
Wiley-X Airbornes. (https://www.wileyx.com/EcommSuite/ProductDetail.aspx?ActivityCode=TACTICAL&SeriesCode=176&ProductLine=598,AIRBOR&ItemCode=CCAIR06)
But since I got such a good deal from Oakley, I wear
S.I. BALLISTIC VERSION 2 M FRAMES (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/oakleysimframeballisticversion2array-blackframe.aspx) out on the range or in the field. Notice the price of $137 from Tactical Tailor. I got them for $55 on the Oakley site.
(http://img-2.h-img.com/media/img/s/e/0/B/e0B-3395253.jpg)
This sounds cool.
But on the form, where it says "Service Branch," which would be more appropriate?
Group: Federal
Affiliation: Government
Department: Other
If Other: Civil Air Patrol/U.S. Air Force Auxiliary
- OR -
Group: Federal
Affiliation: Military
Department: Air Force
Unit/Group: Civil Air Patrol/U.S. Air Force Auxiliary
I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but I am trying to stay within regs. We are the Auxiliary of the Air Force, but we are not military...
Woot! I've been looking for those knuckle gloves! How good are they when it comes to flexibility, or for something like...smoking?
How are they with the cold?
Quote from: CyBorg on January 16, 2010, 04:50:44 AM
This sounds cool.
But on the form, where it says "Service Branch," which would be more appropriate?
Group: Federal
Affiliation: Government
Department: Other
If Other: Civil Air Patrol/U.S. Air Force Auxiliary
- OR -
Group: Federal
Affiliation: Military
Department: Air Force
Unit/Group: Civil Air Patrol/U.S. Air Force Auxiliary
I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but I am trying to stay within regs. We are the Auxiliary of the Air Force, but we are not military...
I went with:
Group: Federal
Affiliation: Government
Department: Other
If Other: Civil Air Patrol
I also used the optional Photo ID, don't know if that makes a difference though.
Quote from: USAFaux2004 on January 16, 2010, 05:44:11 AM
Woot! I've been looking for those knuckle gloves! How good are they when it comes to flexibility, or for something like...smoking?
How are they with the cold?
For me, they aren't very good in cold weather. Then again, my hands get cold very easy. But for basic protection, I love them. No significant loss of dexterity and the shell over the knuckles really, really works. ;D
Bump!
know for a fact that CAP "credentials" are good to go for this so if you go to OAKLEY GOVERNMENT SALES (https://usstandardissue.com/) you can get up to 50% off of Oakley glasses, goggles, gloves, footwear, etc.
I got issued a pair of the Oakley SF Assault boots when I was in the PJ squadron and love them so much I bought another pair and I just bought a tan pair for deployment. I've bought glasses for friends at about half price.
You have to register and send them proof of your status (EMS, ES, Mil, Fed, LE, etc). I recently had a friend use his CAP ID so it does work. I'd mention something about Emergency Services or AIR FORCE AUXILIARY just to play it safe.
Go to their site, register and in one work day you'll have access to purchase stuff.
As an example, those boots were $200+ and I got them for $120.
(http://captalk.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4226.0;attach=1604)
PS: YOU CAN'T SEE EVEN 1/3 OF THE ITEMS YOU CAN BUY UNTIL YOU GET REGISTERED. THERE ARE LITERALLY 100s OF ITEMS AT UP TO 60% OFF REGULAR PRICE.
how do you upload you CAP ID?
Scan it then upload the scan
One year I had to renew my status with Oakley but was TDY and didn't have access to a scanner so I snapped a picture of my ID, cropped it and emailed it.
If you're having trouble figuring it out, ask a 4 year old. They'll be able to help you out.
thanks
Also, FYI, you don't need the optional photo ID to get approved. I used a scanned copy of my "library card" and it was processed in about 15 minutes.
So what have people been using when inputting unit? Have they been going the Federal "Other" route or the USAF route?
Federal - Other "Civil Air Patrol" has worked for me for the past two years.
I used:
Government
DHS
NER-NJ-093
Civil Air Patrol
We are under Homeland Security now, aren't we? (That's a serious question; I seem to remember hearing that at some point, but now I can't quite remember for sure.)
Quote from: Captain Rob on September 01, 2010, 03:11:13 AM
I used:
Government
DHS
NER-NJ-093
Civil Air Patrol
We are under Homeland Security now, aren't we? (That's a serious question; I seem to remember hearing that at some point, but now I can't quite remember for sure.)
No, we're not "under" DHS. We're still the Air Force Auxiliary (sometimes).
No, sir.
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2ur563a.jpg)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/33dfd7d.jpg)
See page 18 of this to check my source.
WARNING! This is a 38 MB PDF file- loading takes a while. (http://www.airmanonline.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100302-029.pdf)
We are an "Organization" of the USAF- and sometimes the Auxiliary of it ;)
Well, what PHall said.
Got registered yesterday with my "library card". Just took a picture of it and uploaded it. Approved in a couple hours.
Great stuff, great deals.
Good on Oakley for what they're doing.
Quote from: DakRadz on September 01, 2010, 03:48:34 AM
We are an "Organization" of the USAF- and sometimes the Auxiliary of it ;)
Negatory on the first part, we're NOT an "organization" of the USAF. More like an independent contractor.
Okay, an organization working for/with/under the USAF.
Look at the first picture I posted, top left edge- Organizations.
Get out of my thread >:(
I stand corrected. We support DHS, but are not "under" them. Thank you.
Quote from: tsrup on September 01, 2010, 05:49:12 AM
Got registered yesterday with my "library card". Just took a picture of it and uploaded it. Approved in a couple hours.
Great stuff, great deals.
Good on Oakley for what they're doing.
Why are you insulting library cards? I have cards from three different library systems that have far superior printing quality, branding, and design. None of the pixelation of the CAP card either.
Quote from: JC004 on September 02, 2010, 09:24:32 PM
Quote from: tsrup on September 01, 2010, 05:49:12 AM
Got registered yesterday with my "library card". Just took a picture of it and uploaded it. Approved in a couple hours.
Great stuff, great deals.
Good on Oakley for what they're doing.
Why are you insulting library cards? I have cards from three different library systems that have far superior printing quality, branding, and design. None of the pixelation of the CAP card either.
Because it was easier to say than "local movie rental shop membership identification card that was laminated using scotch tape"
>:D
***BUMP***
Old thread but we've got lots of new people on CAP Talk. Take advantage of the discount Oakley has to offer.
for group it asks
Federal
Local
State
which one? im guessing local.
Read the entire thread. Your answer awaits you there.
Just signed up. Was approved in less than 30 minutes. That was good customer service.
and i havent been accepted yet.... :-\
Quote from: Abdomina on April 26, 2011, 11:45:53 PM
and i havent been accepted yet.... :-\
Did you send them a copy of your CAP ID?
yes i did
That is weird. I know when I signed up, I waited less than 30 minutes and had access. I would try registering again, that may clear it up. How long ago did you create an account?
about 1700CST
Weird. I have no idea. I guess maybe give them a couple days and if nothing reregister.
. . although i was able to complete the upload of my i.d. card during the initial registration process, i received the following email. i followed the instructions, believing that i still needed to upload my i.d. card, but sign in was less than successful. gonna wait till tomorrow....
good luck,
bill
Thank you for registering and welcome to the US Standard Issue Program.
Please note that your account will not be active until we have a copy of your government or military identification and it has been approved.
You may upload or fax your id to us by logging into your account now USING THE USERNAME AND PASSWORD YOU REGISTERED WITH. Once we review your ID we will send you an email confirming your account is active.
If you have any questions, please call our office at 1-800-525-4334 during our business hours of Monday - Friday 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM PST and we will be happy to help you.
Thank You.
I ordered a great pair of shooting glasses (the SI Ballistic M Frame 2.0 Strike Array set with the interchangeable lenses) as well as a pair of goggles through the Oakley government sales website and got both a great product and a stellar price. Totally worth it.
Quote from: starshippe on April 27, 2011, 02:46:32 AM
. . although i was able to complete the upload of my i.d. card during the initial registration process, i received the following email. i followed the instructions, believing that i still needed to upload my i.d. card, but sign in was less than successful. gonna wait till tomorrow....
good luck,
bill
Thank you for registering and welcome to the US Standard Issue Program.
Please note that your account will not be active until we have a copy of your government or military identification and it has been approved.
You may upload or fax your id to us by logging into your account now USING THE USERNAME AND PASSWORD YOU REGISTERED WITH. Once we review your ID we will send you an email confirming your account is active.
If you have any questions, please call our office at 1-800-525-4334 during our business hours of Monday - Friday 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM PST and we will be happy to help you.
Thank You.
Yes, I did as well. It seems to be standard upon creating an account. If you uploaded a copy of your ID it should get approved, just await the approval e-mail.
Maybe they didn't like the dots...
Try uploading it again. I had a similar problem when I went to renew my USSI membership this year. The first time I submitted my current ID nothing happened, so I resubmitted a few days later and it kicked through no problem.
. . i just called, they had everything they needed, just had not gotten around to the approval. i should be on line in just a few mins.
bill
The boots rubber don't last very long.
BTW, Just got my pair of Flak Jackets, and they are pretty great!
Quote from: BTCS1* on April 28, 2011, 01:39:41 AM
BTW, Just got my pair of Flak Jackets, and they are pretty great!
Flak jacket brofist, they'll last a LONG time if you take decent care of them.
I can already tell! They seem like a solid pair of glasses, well made, already took two falls to the concrete! 8)
Quote from: BTCS1* on April 28, 2011, 01:52:59 AM
I can already tell! They seem like a solid pair of glasses, well made, already took two falls to the concrete! 8)
Just 2 so far? Either I'm clumsy or I like to abuse my gear. ;D
I've had them for less than a week... And probably both!
my application was denied.... :(
Quote from: Abdomina on April 28, 2011, 03:31:33 AM
my application was denied.... :(
Did they say wwhy? Do you have the photo ID?
Being too lazy to reread the entire thread, I'll ask - Do they require a picture ID, or is a membership card sufficient?
Quote from: SarDragon on April 28, 2011, 06:02:37 AM
Being too lazy to reread the entire thread, I'll ask - Do they require a picture ID, or is a membership card sufficient?
Any membership card is sufficient - I used my "library card" the first time I applied for an account.
I got a pair of their sunglasses at about 1/2 off retail through government sales. AWESOME deal!
I just got denied. I took a picture with my camera. Maybe I need to fax?
Thanks for the tip...I'm gonna see if they can do a good deal on prescription sunglasses.
I applied twice.. and got denied twice.. :'(
Quote from: C/Conlin on April 28, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
I applied twice.. and got denied twice.. :'(
Make sure the picture isn't fuzzy, I got denied the first time. I don't know what their problem is. I am waiting for them to accept it now.
Two hours later-- I got accepted. Make sure the picture isnt fuzy. on your profile, make sure you say you are in ES in the UNIT box.
Quote from: mclarke on April 28, 2011, 04:21:05 AM
Quote from: Abdomina on April 28, 2011, 03:31:33 AM
my application was denied.... :(
Did they say wwhy? Do you have the photo ID?
You dont need a photo ID. Mine didn't have a photo.
Electric, are you a cadet? i think i have a reason.
It seems that he is from his previous posts.
I'm a cadet too. If Electric is a cadet, I guess that they're not accepting cadets. Yeah, I can see why, ::) but we still go out in the field and their products are great for ES. In that case it doesn't matter whether your a senior member or a cadet.
BTW, my ID card scan was crystal-clear.
They let mine go through. Granted, that was over a year ago, and they may have changed their registration requirements.
I am a cadet and I was just accepted. Conlin, then fix your profile, a member on one of the first few pages said what to put.
Someone also said that there where hundreds of items, that is not true. The only difference after signing up is that you get to see the prices.
Been Denied twice. I submitted a good quality photo of my non-photo ID. I have updated the profile info to reflect ES and SAR. I have no idea what is going on. I think I might give them a call and see what gives. The only thing I can think of is maybe age. other than that who knows.
EDIT: Spent a nice 15 minutes on the phone with a lady who said that because my card said cadet they could not accept it. They told me that I need to have something that explicitly says what my role is. Still working on it.
EDIT: Called back after submitting a 101 card to view and show my qualifications. I was told that they simply do not accept cadets. I was told I could talk to the manager which I did. I talked with the manager for almost 45 minutes regarding the cadet status. Even after viewing a 101 card and looking up the certifications he said that even if he did believe that I was certified and active in SAR, because I'm a cadet he could not authorize me. He said he would run it up the flagpole (Oakley for the chain of command) and see if they would consider authorizing cadets who participate in SAR. I'll (theoretically) get an email from him withing a week telling me what was decided. I was told that in the meantime I could contact a SM and they could create an account, they would be approved, and I could have them order anything I need through them. We shall see what comes out of this.
EDIT: I got an email back. Here is most of the email...
******,
I discussed your position with someone at our headquarters. It was determined that the Cadet program seems to partake in almost all of the same duties as a senior member.
It was also determined that the Civil Air Patrol program as a whole does not meet the requirements of entry into US Standard Issue. As stated on our website,
"The program is for active duty military, reserve, federal and local law enforcement, fire, EMS and those holding military retiree credentials. We have developed a strong program over the past 20 years and we want to ensure that the integrity of the program is held high."
Basically they are saying that neither cadets nor SMs are qualified under the program. On the phone I was told that there appeared to be no reason why any CAP member would need their products. They said they had to determine that we had a need for ballistic eye-ware and and other products. I tried explaining prop-wash and how many members use their boots and gloves in the field. They wouldn't hear it.
EDIT: fixed typo and removed #
I don't see why they're having an issue with cadets all of a sudden. Unless some policy changed the ability to register to just SM's, then they're just losing business.
They said they changed management about a year ago and that since then they have tightened the policies. Read the email though, It says that ALL CAP MEMBERS are deemed not qualified. >:(
Quote from: coolkites on May 20, 2011, 11:19:05 PM
They said they changed management about a year ago and that since then they have tightened the policies. Read the email though, It says that ALL CAP MEMBERS are deemed not qualified. >:(
I was just reapproved about 2 months ago...
Here is part of the email they sent me today.
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"the Civil Air Patrol program as a whole does not meet the requirements of entry into US Standard Issue. As stated on our website,
"The program is for active duty military, reserve, federal and local law enforcement, fire, EMS and those holding military retiree credentials. We have developed a strong program over the past 20 years and we want to ensure that the integrity of the program is held high."
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EDIT: removed part of email, I was planning to reply back.
Unsolicited advice, backoff. You are a cadet and I don't really think you want to compare the things a CAP cadet does with policemen, firemen and the military. You do not represent CAP and I would suggest that you ask your squadron commander to push the issue up the chain. What you will do is convince them that there are dealing with a teenager, and they may very well close down the program for all CAP Members, if they have not already done so based upon the conversations you have already described here.
You seem to have forgotten, that if someone or a company chooses to grant us a discount because of our association with the Air Force, it is a privilege and not a right. Simply say think you sir/mam for your time and move on.
I hate to admit it but you are right :angel:. I guess I just wanted to take action because I was irritated at the way the ran me around and with the response I received form them. I guess the "new" management will do as they please and it looks like they are going to keep those policies tightened. I'll plan on speaking with my chain of command to see what advice they would have towards the situation. I appreciate your unsolicited advice. Thank you.
Well, if this is how the new management is treating CAP, I may look elsewhere for sunglasses in the future.
I still have access to my account, and I just made it last month. Maybe it is just for seniors? I have no idea. Would be nice if CAP as a whole would be allowed (considering that we do a lot of ES, with no pay), but either way, I am glad for what benefits we do get.
Oh my god. Is this what CAP has come to? I would have been kicked out of CAP in my day for CALLING A PRIVATE COMPANY AND DEMANDING A DISCOUNT that is clearly only authorized for the listed agencies. I know and I can comment because I do qualify for reduced cost protective eyewear, and I was a CAP cadet. Cadet and SMs who do this, you should be ashamed. Why don't you demand a military discount at restaurants? That'll save you 5%. Oakley does that program as a courtesy to those of us who could lose our eyes on the job and end our careers. Soldiers from IEDs, police/fire/EMS from violent patients, puke, car batteries, etc. WE are doing a job that we can't walk away from, unlike CAP. No Safety officer comes along and stops us.
OAKLEY is not under any formal requirement to give you what you want, no matter how bad you want it. If little people like you cause Oakley to cancel this program saying "Too many entitled little people were calling getting crazy about their assumed discount...it's not worth it"
... well, why don't you trying reading the testimonials by the SOLDIERS whose eyes were saved in combat. Learn a lesson, fast, there high speed.
HGJunkie, you should be an Airman again for a while, and is no way for an HONORguardsman to conduct himself.
I think this last thread does it for me. I have no interest in CAP membership if this is how it is. Shameful.
WHAT HAPPENED TO MORAL LEADERSHIP PEOPLE?!
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 01:53:42 AM
Oh my god. Is this what CAP has come to? I would have been kicked out of CAP in my day for CALLING A PRIVATE COMPANY AND DEMANDING A DISCOUNT that is clearly only authorized for the listed agencies. I know and I can comment because I do qualify for reduced cost protective eyewear, and I was a CAP cadet. Cadet and SMs who do this, you should be ashamed. Why don't you demand a military discount at restaurants? That'll save you 5%. Oakley does that program as a courtesy to those of us who could lose our eyes on the job and end our careers. Soldiers from IEDs, police/fire/EMS from violent patients, puke, car batteries, etc. WE are doing a job that we can't walk away from, unlike CAP. No Safety officer comes along and stops us.
OAKLEY is not under any formal requirement to give you what you want, no matter how bad you want it. If little people like you cause Oakley to cancel this program saying "Too many entitled little people were calling getting crazy about their assumed discount...it's not worth it"
... well, why don't you trying reading the testimonials by the SOLDIERS whose eyes were saved in combat. Learn a lesson, fast, there high speed.
HGJunkie, you should be an Airman again for a while.
I think this last thread does it for me. I have no interest in CAP membership if this is how it is. Shameful.
I agree, however, when I signed up I was under the impression (from this thread) it was authorized. Had I know I would have used my FD credentials (which my ID is always in my car, so yeah, easier to use my CAP).
I do have to comment on one thing though, CAP people are just as in need of eyewear as EMS/FD. Plane Crash, working with these floors and tornadoes. Sure, we can just walk away, just like cops and EMS can resign... But we dont, and CAP members do not get paid either.
It's strange. They were extremely nice on the phone but they kept giving me the run around as to why SMs qualified and cadets did not. The manager I talked to seemed sympathetic but said the decision not to allow cadets came from higher up. I asked him if he could do anything about it and he said he would see if they would authorize me since I explained to him the role cadets play. Apparently the answer he got back was that nobody in CAP is authorized. I had never heard of this new management before this but I guess they tightened things down and the word just never got passed down or wasn't/isn't enforced. To be honest I don't think they are really preventing all members from using the program. I think that is just what they told me, maybe to make me not get my feelings hurt or something. Silly but whatever. Like Larry Mangum said, it's a privilege and not a right. If they won't authorize me then it's really not that big of a deal. I can have another member with an account order boots for me or I can look elsewhere (5.11, UA, and others). If I really wanted to get authorized I could talk to my chain of command and see if they either have access through supply or something. To be fair I can almost see their side when they told me cadets didn't qualify. They don't want 12yr old kids ordering gear, likely for a number of reasons. Not really a big deal in the end.
To be clear I didn't demand they give me a discount. I simply inquired as to why cadets didn't qualify. the lady pointed me to her manager when she didn't know. I was curious so I asked. He didn't know and he told me he would get back to me. Nobody was demanding anything. I'm sorry anonymous former c/col if I or anyone else made it sound that way.
EDIT: Mclarke: I agree. If they had made a decision not to allow cadets then so be it. I was very curious as to why and because the manager didn't know either, he said that he could find out for me. From all the people who posted before me it appeared that cadets were allowed. When my application was denied I did what they (Oakley) told me to and I called for clarification. I don't think anyone here had negative or offensive intent at all.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 01:53:42 AM
HGJunkie, you should be an Airman again for a while.
???
Whoa. Whoa. I served my time as an Airman. I'm just saying that Oakley used to grant us Access to USSI and now they won't for whatever reason. I don't think anyone is "Demanding" that Oakley re-grant us access (or discounts), they're just expressing disdain that we're suddenly barred from registering.
If you want it, pay for it. No one owes you anything.
I apologize for nothing. I read this whole thread and all of you had this tone of "WHAAAAA! They won't give me what I want!"
Did you actually read the agencies they give this courtesy to? I don't care who they gave it to in the past - view it as "Well, got one buy 'em."
CAP migh "need" protective eyewear. I don't care. I did my time on flight line and in the field. Buy it.
I'm serious - you all have something to learn from the tone of gratitude from the soldiers who had their eyes saved by Oakleys.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 02:09:27 AM
If you want it, pay for it. No one owes you anything.
Or go on ebay
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 01:53:42 AM
and is no way for an HONORguardsman to conduct himself.
I'm actually curious as to what I did to make you think i'm mis-representing the Honor Guard.
HGJunkie you are supposed to conduct youself with behavior above reproach. "If this is how they want to treat CAP, I'll take my business elsewhere."
That says immature, entitled, whiny cadet to me. And worthy of reproach.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 02:17:27 AM
HGJunkie you are supposed to conduct youself with behavior above reproach. "If this is how they want to treat CAP, I'll take my business elsewhere."
That says immature, entitled, whiny cadet to me. And worthy of reproach.
Well, if i'm not granted access to the site, I kind of have to take my business elsewhere. Now, i'll still buy Oakley products, but I have to pay a higher mark-up and i'm not buying directly from Oakley (which I think is a better idea, but that's IMO).
Granted, I could have worded that phrase better, but I'm not acting entitled. Or whiny. Or immature, and I think the way i've been posting has kept my behavior above reproach.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 02:09:27 AM
If you want it, pay for it. No one owes you anything.
I apologize for nothing. I read this whole thread and all of you had this tone of "WHAAAAA! They won't give me what I want!"
Did you actually read the agencies they give this courtesy to? I don't care who they gave it to in the past - view it as "Well, got one buy 'em."
CAP migh "need" protective eyewear. I don't care. I did my time on flight line and in the field. Buy it.
I'm serious - you all have something to learn from the tone of gratitude from the soldiers who had their eyes saved by Oakleys.
Sorry if I offended you or gave you the wrong impression.
The whole thing is that nobody demanded a discount. In my opinion if they offer a discount then that means you can use it (assuming you meet the conditions). Everyone here was under the impression that Search and Rescue qualified under their program, this was confirmed by Oakley. For whatever reason they changed their minds. No big deal. The reason I didn't want to pay full price is because I can't. I'm a student, not a *insert high paying job without specificity so as not to offend anyone*. If they offer me their products at a price I can afford then I will buy it. If not, then I won't.
EDIT: In my opinion most CAP members earn respect. If Oakley wants to honor their SAR service (which saves lives) then I say good for them. If they decided not to though then that is there choice. I don't think anyone was challenging their choice.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 02:09:27 AM
If you want it, pay for it. No one owes you anything.
I apologize for nothing. I read this whole thread and all of you had this tone of "WHAAAAA! They won't give me what I want!"
Did you actually read the agencies they give this courtesy to? I don't care who they gave it to in the past - view it as "Well, got one buy 'em."
CAP migh "need" protective eyewear. I don't care. I did my time on flight line and in the field. Buy it.
I'm serious - you all have something to learn from the tone of gratitude from the soldiers who had their eyes saved by Oakleys.
I say again - "Lighten up, Francis!"
One of our more esteemed members, who is currently in The 'Stan, turned us on to the availability of a discount. The thread resurfaces periodically, as new people find it. No one is 'demanding' anything. But there was some confusion about why the eligibility seems to have changed.
As for your comment to Junkie, "HGJunkie you are supposed to conduct youself with behavior above reproach.", I suggest that you review some of your olde leadership books, and the CAP core values, before you do your 'bull in a china shoppe' act again.
Okaaaaaaaaaaaay, so we are getting off topic...
Anyone have experiences with oakley products? Quality, other retailers that sell their stuff, etc...?
Quote from: mclarke on May 21, 2011, 02:25:37 AM
Okaaaaaaaaaaaay, so we are getting off topic...
Anyone have experiences with oakley products? Quality, other retailers that sell their stuff, etc...?
I've got a pair of Flak Jackets, and they are a rock-solid piece of equipment. They're conservative enough to wear with the uniform, but practical enough to wear in the field. The added peace of mind Oakley tests all the frames for impact resistance is nice, and they cut harsh sunlight out
really well.
Great quality products. Check their site for retailers.
I have one pair of Oakley glasses (Flak Jackets) that I bought from Sportsman's warehouse for 60% off when they decided to stop carrying Oakley and they liquidated their stock. I personally love the glasses. They are extremely lightweight and very tough. I'm a crew kid (a rower) and sometimes in the summer I work as a lifeguard so I'm on the water a lot. I like these glasses because the polarized lenses cut down on glare (hugely) and then water repellent coating works great when I get splashed in the face. They are solid products and you certainly get what you pay for (which is why they are so expensive) in my opinion.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 02:09:27 AM
If you want it, pay for it. No one owes you anything.
I apologize for nothing. I read this whole thread and all of you had this tone of "WHAAAAA! They won't give me what I want!"
Did you actually read the agencies they give this courtesy to? I don't care who they gave it to in the past - view it as "Well, got one buy 'em."
CAP migh "need" protective eyewear. I don't care. I did my time on flight line and in the field. Buy it.
I'm serious - you all have something to learn from the tone of gratitude from the soldiers who had their eyes saved by Oakleys.
Oh ya, no, this reply just screams you learned real leadership in cap...those 3 diamonds go to your head a little guy? ::)
The cadet read a thread, thought he could order them, they told him no, he asked why, they gave him a BS answer and we all move on. Such as life.... Don't pull the trigger so fast there former c/col.... ::)
There went changing the subject.
All of you:
You don't know me or what I have done. I've read all your little thread about this, and commented. I have nothing to add about the Oakley thing.
WHERE exactly I learned leadership from all of you would have been flamed in the exact same way.
You don't see this as inappropriate?
Coolkites says:
"I guess I just wanted to take action because I was irritated at the way the ran me around and with the response I received form them. I guess the "new" management will do as they please and it looks like they are going to keep those policies tightened."
SARDragon, you just loved bossing people around. That's why you are CAP senior member. Don't lecture me about leadership. There is no leadership for this kind of thing, just feedback. "Bull in chinashop..." Sorry, am I stealing your usual method? You're the only one who can comment strongly on stupid behavior?
When did correcting people become "bad leadership"? Oh yeah, in the new touchy-feely CAP.
Don't worry, I'm done with you guys and fully reminded for the next 20 years why exactly I got out of CAP. Someone like SARDragon can defend poor behavior but say whatever he wants all on the same forum.
Cadets, have fun. Don't turn SM. Move on in life. CAP is a raft - let it go.
NCRBLues read your own Patton quote.
If you guys are incapable of self-examination of what you've JUST said, and what bad behavior you've just done, you are lost.
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 03:06:59 AM
All of you:
You don't know me or what I have done. I've read all your little thread about this, and commented. I have nothing to add about the Oakley thing.
WHERE exactly I learned leadership from all of you would have been flamed in the exact same way.
You don't see this as inappropriate?
Coolkites says:
"I guess I just wanted to take action because I was irritated at the way the ran me around and with the response I received form them. I guess the "new" management will do as they please and it looks like they are going to keep those policies tightened."
SARDragon, you just loved bossing people around. That's why you are CAP senior member. Don't lecture me about leadership. There is no leadership for this kind of thing, just feedback. "Bull in chinashop..." Sorry, am I stealing your usual method? You're the only one who can comment strongly on stupid behavior?
You guys are pathetic.
When did correcting people become "bad leadership"? Oh yeah, in the new touchy-feely CAP.
Don't worry, I'm done with you guys and fully reminded for the next 20 years why exactly I got out of CAP. Someone like SARDragon can defend poor behavior but act immature all on the same forum.
Cadets, have fun. Don't turn SM. Move on in life. CAP is a raft - let it go.
NCRBLues read your own Patton quote.
If you guys are incapable of self-examination of what you've JUST said, and what bad behavior you've just done, you are lost.
Yup, triple diamond fever.
You "made it to Spaatz" (maybe, i don't believe it) then bad mouth all SM's? What where you in this organization for?
Take your ranting someplace else, you are what gives cadets a bad name in MANY places...
Nope, 20 years out of CAP. Loved it as a cadet. Hate what it's turned into. Moved on to bigger and better.
Yes, I got my Spaatz and beyond. But I'm not the Spaatz mafia. It's something I tried once at 17, passed, and moved on when I started college.
Stay in CAP - you belong.
This thread needs a mod clean-up. And anonymous former c/col, you're taking this way too seriously.
Nope, I'm done. Have fun.
Time to lock it
Quote from: anonymous former c/col on May 21, 2011, 03:26:37 AM
Nope, 20 years out of CAP. Loved it as a cadet. Hate what it's turned into. Moved on to bigger and better.
Yes, I got my Spaatz and beyond. But I'm not the Spaatz mafia. It's something I tried once at 17, passed, and moved on when I started college.
Stay in CAP - you belong.
Oh don't worry, ill stay in cap, just so i can teach youth to not end up with attitudes like yours. ;D Have a good one!