There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
There is also a brand new CAPR 265-1 Chaplains Service Manual.
SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
The Moral Leadership Officer appointing procedures have been changed to follow the same steps as the chaplain appointment procedures. The Chaplain Service Assistant is now the Chaplain Service Program Manager and is part of the NHQ Missions Directorate.
Thanks, Admiral. :)
Adding a link to the pubs page for easier access: LINKY (http://level2.cap.gov/visitors/member_services/publications/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm)
OH! Grammar error on the Chaplain application! It says "Chaplain's" when it should say "Chaplains"............
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
There is also a brand new CAPR 265-1 Chaplains Service Manual.
SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
The Moral Leadership Officer appointing procedures have been changed to follow the same steps as the chaplain appointment procedures. The Chaplain Service Assistant is now the Chaplain Service Program Manager and is part of the NHQ Missions Directorate.
Thx for the heads up I'll get word out to my wing....
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
There is also a brand new CAPR 265-1 Chaplains Service Manual.
SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
The Moral Leadership Officer appointing procedures have been changed to follow the same steps as the chaplain appointment procedures. The Chaplain Service Assistant is now the Chaplain Service Program Manager and is part of the NHQ Missions Directorate.
hmmm Found R265-1... dont see F35 or F35A ...
Quote from: riveraj on May 11, 2007, 02:46:27 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
There is also a brand new CAPR 265-1 Chaplains Service Manual.
SUMMARY OF CHANGES.
The Moral Leadership Officer appointing procedures have been changed to follow the same steps as the chaplain appointment procedures. The Chaplain Service Assistant is now the Chaplain Service Program Manager and is part of the NHQ Missions Directorate.
hmmm Found R265-1... dont see F35 or F35A ...
See the Pubs Bulletin page.
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See the Pubs Bulletin page.
Thanks
These changes in CAPR 265-1 are a significant move foward. The nebulous "60 hours of training post-high school graduation" has been clarified to be college-level training from an institution listed in the Higher Education Directory.
While this change may appear to be an impediment to appointment for some, it will ensure that the Chaplain Service maintains a high level of professionalism in both its Chaplains and its Moral Leadership Officers.
Now....if we can only help unit commanders understand that it is the Chaplain Service office at NHQ who appoints Chaplains and MLOs....
Quote from: JC004 on May 10, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Thanks, Admiral. :)
Adding a link to the pubs page for easier access: LINKY (http://level2.cap.gov/visitors/member_services/publications/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm)
OH! Grammar error on the Chaplain application! It says "Chaplain's" when it should say "Chaplains"............
Actually shouldnt it read "Chaplains' " as in belonging to more than one Chaplain?
Quote from: SARMedTech on June 02, 2007, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: JC004 on May 10, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Thanks, Admiral. :)
Adding a link to the pubs page for easier access: LINKY (http://level2.cap.gov/visitors/member_services/publications/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm)
OH! Grammar error on the Chaplain application! It says "Chaplain's" when it should say "Chaplains"............
Actually shouldnt it read "Chaplains' " as in belonging to more than one Chaplain?
It saaaaays..."Name of Person Who Endorses Chaplain's For Your Group" Die, apostrophe, die!!!
Quote from: JC004 on June 03, 2007, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: SARMedTech on June 02, 2007, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: JC004 on May 10, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Thanks, Admiral. :)
Adding a link to the pubs page for easier access: LINKY (http://level2.cap.gov/visitors/member_services/publications/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm)
OH! Grammar error on the Chaplain application! It says "Chaplain's" when it should say "Chaplains"............
Actually shouldnt it read "Chaplains' " as in belonging to more than one Chaplain?
It saaaaays..."Name of Person Who Endorses Chaplain's For Your Group" Die, apostrophe, die!!!
The apostrophe doesn't need to be in the plural for chaplain. Sorry, couldn't resist. >:D
Quote from: SARMedTech on June 03, 2007, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: JC004 on June 03, 2007, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: SARMedTech on June 02, 2007, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: JC004 on May 10, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Thanks, Admiral. :)
Adding a link to the pubs page for easier access: LINKY (http://level2.cap.gov/visitors/member_services/publications/indexes_regulations_and_manuals.cfm)
OH! Grammar error on the Chaplain application! It says "Chaplain's" when it should say "Chaplains"............
Actually shouldnt it read "Chaplains' " as in belonging to more than one Chaplain?
It saaaaays..."Name of Person Who Endorses Chaplain's For Your Group" Die, apostrophe, die!!!
The apostrophe doesn't need to be in the plural for chaplain. Sorry, couldn't resist. >:D
We aren't
nearly brutal enough to NHQ.
For any chaplains out there:
I've been involved in CAP in various roles, mostly Aerospace Ed. and Cadet programs, since 2000. I'm currently living in Asia but we'll likely return to the USA the end of 2010.
A few years ago I considered applying for the chaplaincy service within CAP but never carried through with it. Now I'm considering it again. I've been an ordained minister since 1982.
I guess what I'm asking is for your experiences as a chaplain within CAP. What are the benefits of being a chaplain with this organization. I'm not looking for generalities of being a minister, but particularly within CAP.
Thanks for your input.
Quote from: Dad2-4 on August 22, 2009, 12:47:15 PM
For any chaplains out there:
I've been involved in CAP in various roles, mostly Aerospace Ed. and Cadet programs, since 2000. I'm currently living in Asia but we'll likely return to the USA the end of 2010.
A few years ago I considered applying for the chaplaincy service within CAP but never carried through with it. Now I'm considering it again. I've been an ordained minister since 1982.
I guess what I'm asking is for your experiences as a chaplain within CAP. What are the benefits of being a chaplain with this organization. I'm not looking for generalities of being a minister, but particularly within CAP.
Thanks for your input.
PM Sent
Thanks for the information!
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an
accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an
accredited undergraduate degree
new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
As far as I know it's not new, but I don't know if maybe the undergrad degree can also be waived.
I have a BA but no seminary because my religion doesn't require it for ordination.
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an accredited undergraduate degree new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
No, that is not new....the accredited undergraduate degree has always been a requirement. The waiver is granted based on the number of years of pastoral experience with the accredited bachelors. The grade appointment of a waivered chaplain is 1st Lt.
Quote from: Chappie on August 23, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
No, that is not new....the accredited undergraduate degree has always been a requirement. The waiver is granted based on the number of years of pastoral experience with the accredited bachelors. The grade appointment of a waivered chaplain is 1st Lt.
I'm very surprised at this. I personally know at least three CAP chaplains that never graduated from an accredited college.
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 05:57:53 PM
Quote from: Chappie on August 23, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
No, that is not new....the accredited undergraduate degree has always been a requirement. The waiver is granted based on the number of years of pastoral experience with the accredited bachelors. The grade appointment of a waivered chaplain is 1st Lt.
I'm very surprised at this. I personally know at least three CAP chaplains that never graduated from an accredited college.
Likewise, I am surprised by your experience because I have been a CAP Chaplain since '96 -- serving at all levels of CAP -- and do not know of a single chaplain who has been appointed without an accredited Bachelors degree.
I would be happy to send you the resume of a chaplain who joined in 1998 and has no accredited degrees at all, although he claims three doctorates
Since the resume is posted on the web, I believe this is information that can be shared.
He's been a Wing and Regional Chaplain in fact.
;D
Glad they changed the name - makes all the difference. :D
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an accredited undergraduate degree new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
The language of "accredited" education is too keep CAP's Chaplain policies in line with the USAF. However, we have the "waiver" for experience that I don't believe that the Real Military has. Frankly, I tend to think that the requirements to become a CAP Chaplain are too lax. In addition to requiring a Master of Divinity Degree (or like degree), I would insist on at least 1 unit of Clinical Pastoral Education. For clergy who have not served active duty, this is where working within a pluralistic institution is learned.
Quote from: DogCollar on August 24, 2009, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an accredited undergraduate degree new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
The language of "accredited" education is too keep CAP's Chaplain policies in line with the USAF. However, we have the "waiver" for experience that I don't believe that the Real Military has. Frankly, I tend to think that the requirements to become a CAP Chaplain are too lax. In addition to requiring a Master of Divinity Degree (or like degree), I would insist on at least 1 unit of Clinical Pastoral Education. For clergy who have not served active duty, this is where working within a pluralistic institution is learned.
The "waiver for experience" is not utilized in the real military. The "waiver for experience" is not automatically granted either. Having been the beneficiary of the waiver -- the denomination that I was with at the time did not require Masters or above for ordination...most of our schools offered a Biblical/Pastoral/Pre-seminary major in their accredited Bachelors programs -- I had 23 years of pastoral experience (13 on staff/10 as a senior pastor) and 15 years experience of serving as a volunteer chaplain with law enforcement. In addition, I attended a variety of in-service training events to hone my skills. So in my situation, I would hope that the waiver was a good thing. I fully understand that not having the 72 hour degree prohibits me from serving as a "force multiplier" with the USAF or other branches....however, I thoroughly enjoy being a CAP chaplain and have a full plate with CAP activities :)
Quote from: Chappie on August 25, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: DogCollar on August 24, 2009, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an accredited undergraduate degree new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
The language of "accredited" education is too keep CAP's Chaplain policies in line with the USAF. However, we have the "waiver" for experience that I don't believe that the Real Military has. Frankly, I tend to think that the requirements to become a CAP Chaplain are too lax. In addition to requiring a Master of Divinity Degree (or like degree), I would insist on at least 1 unit of Clinical Pastoral Education. For clergy who have not served active duty, this is where working within a pluralistic institution is learned.
The "waiver for experience" is not utilized in the real military. The "waiver for experience" is not automatically granted either. Having been the beneficiary of the waiver -- the denomination that I was with at the time did not require Masters or above for ordination...most of our schools offered a Biblical/Pastoral/Pre-seminary major in their accredited Bachelors programs -- I had 23 years of pastoral experience (13 on staff/10 as a senior pastor) and 15 years experience of serving as a volunteer chaplain with law enforcement. In addition, I attended a variety of in-service training events to hone my skills. So in my situation, I would hope that the waiver was a good thing. I fully understand that not having the 72 hour degree prohibits me from serving as a "force multiplier" with the USAF or other branches....however, I thoroughly enjoy being a CAP chaplain and have a full plate with CAP activities :)
I guess I need to be beaten with a wet noodle so that I stop making "general" statements. I apologize for any offense I may have caused here. I know that there are some excellent CAP Chaplains who have come in under the experience waiver! You are the prime example!!! However, in our neck of the woods some of these chaplains have a problem behaving in a pluralistic and inclusive manner. Thus, I think Clinical Pastoral Education would serve all CAP Chaplains well. Again, I need to stop making generalized statements. That is one of my MANY faults. I am both :angel: and >:D!!!
Quote from: DogCollar on August 26, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Chappie on August 25, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: DogCollar on August 24, 2009, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
There is a brand new CAPF-35 for Chaplains. MLOs now have their own CAPF-35A.
CAPF-35 states:
EDUCATION: Have an accredited undergraduate degree. Also, an accredited seminary degree, or equivalent, is preferred, however, a waiver may be granted to an applicant with at least 5 years of full time clergy experience.
Is the requirement for an accredited undergraduate degree new? I've known lots of chaplains in the CAP and very few attended an accredited college (and almost none a real seminary).
Almost all I know entered with the above waiver, having been ordained by a denomination with little or no educational requirements.
The language of "accredited" education is too keep CAP's Chaplain policies in line with the USAF. However, we have the "waiver" for experience that I don't believe that the Real Military has. Frankly, I tend to think that the requirements to become a CAP Chaplain are too lax. In addition to requiring a Master of Divinity Degree (or like degree), I would insist on at least 1 unit of Clinical Pastoral Education. For clergy who have not served active duty, this is where working within a pluralistic institution is learned.
The "waiver for experience" is not utilized in the real military. The "waiver for experience" is not automatically granted either. Having been the beneficiary of the waiver -- the denomination that I was with at the time did not require Masters or above for ordination...most of our schools offered a Biblical/Pastoral/Pre-seminary major in their accredited Bachelors programs -- I had 23 years of pastoral experience (13 on staff/10 as a senior pastor) and 15 years experience of serving as a volunteer chaplain with law enforcement. In addition, I attended a variety of in-service training events to hone my skills. So in my situation, I would hope that the waiver was a good thing. I fully understand that not having the 72 hour degree prohibits me from serving as a "force multiplier" with the USAF or other branches....however, I thoroughly enjoy being a CAP chaplain and have a full plate with CAP activities :)
I guess I need to be beaten with a wet noodle so that I stop making "general" statements. I apologize for any offense I may have caused here. I know that there are some excellent CAP Chaplains who have come in under the experience waiver! You are the prime example!!! However, in our neck of the woods some of these chaplains have a problem behaving in a pluralistic and inclusive manner. Thus, I think Clinical Pastoral Education would serve all CAP Chaplains well. Again, I need to stop making generalized statements. That is one of my MANY faults. I am both :angel: and >:D!!!
No offense taken...just speaking from my perspective. But wholeheartedly concer about the need of CAP chaplains understanding and behaving in a pluralistic and inclusive manner. My corollary on chaplaincy has been: "All chaplains need to be pastors, but not all pastors can be chaplains." There is a different mindset and skill set that one has to have --- be it learned by experience or through training -- to have an effective ministry in chaplaincy. Those in pulpit ministry certainly know what is expected of them -- and they behave accordingly -- by those in their local congregation. But at 0200 no one gives a rip about whether one prefers the KNV over the NIV or about their eschatological views....they just need and want assurance that God is with them during their houor of crisis. That is why I embrace and practice the motto: "ministry of presence".
Quote from: DogCollar on August 26, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Chappie on August 25, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: DogCollar on August 24, 2009, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
However, in our neck of the woods some of these chaplains have a problem behaving in a pluralistic and inclusive manner.
Wow, that's an understatement! :P I appreciate you bringing it up, though. It's important for those of us who have been targets of these types of chaplains to have the problem recognized. You're right, they don't behave: they attack and embarrass. Fortunately, not all are like that.
Quote from: Gunner C on August 26, 2009, 11:07:32 PM
Quote from: DogCollar on August 26, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Chappie on August 25, 2009, 03:42:53 PM
Quote from: DogCollar on August 24, 2009, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: dogboy on August 23, 2009, 12:04:05 AM
Quote from: MajorSER on May 10, 2007, 08:05:43 PM
However, in our neck of the woods some of these chaplains have a problem behaving in a pluralistic and inclusive manner.
Wow, that's an understatement! :P I appreciate you bringing it up, though. It's important for those of us who have been targets of these types of chaplains to have the problem recognized. You're right, they don't behave: they attack and embarrass. Fortunately, not all are like that.
I kinda like Chappie's quote above. "All chaplains need to be pastors, but not all pastors need to be chaplains." That needs to be a bumpersticker or something!! ;)