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General Discussion => Membership => Topic started by: Holding Pattern on July 13, 2015, 05:10:38 AM

Title: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Holding Pattern on July 13, 2015, 05:10:38 AM
Title is self-explanatory.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Phil Hirons, Jr. on July 13, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Ideally the CAPF 45 will be made completely obsolete as the data s contains moves into e-services
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: SarDragon on July 13, 2015, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: Phil Hirons, Jr. on July 13, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Ideally the CAPF 45 will be made completely obsolete as the data s contains moves into e-services
My guess is that I'll be a 60 year member before that happens, given the current rate of progress.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: MSG Mac on July 13, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
National HQ has been in a "Paper Reduction Mode" for about ten years. The only way to get a F45 is to download from E-Services. I doubt we'll see the hardcopy available again.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: kwe1009 on July 13, 2015, 08:30:14 PM
This form just needs to be removed and replaced with a report from eServices.  Nearly all of the information is there now so they just need to create a report module for mimick the 45.  I know, easier said than done.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Storm Chaser on July 13, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
It's actually not hard at all.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: SarDragon on July 13, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
I think awards tracking is going to be the biggest hurdle.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Storm Chaser on July 14, 2015, 04:25:37 PM
Maybe. But they could treat it like the ICS/IS courses in Ops Quals. The member uploads a copy of their certificate and/or CAPF 120 or 2A and the appropriate commander validates it.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: SarDragon on July 14, 2015, 07:02:54 PM
That depends on the member, which has its own problems.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: kwe1009 on July 14, 2015, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: Storm Chaser on July 13, 2015, 09:49:02 PM
It's actually not hard at all.

I agree that it is technically easy to do but when you add in the "CAP factor" things seem to be harder than they should.   ;)
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: kwe1009 on July 14, 2015, 07:05:07 PM
Quote from: SarDragon on July 14, 2015, 07:02:54 PM
That depends on the member, which has its own problems.

The personnel officer could also do the uploading.  Not much different than they do today with filing and documenting.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: MSG Mac on July 14, 2015, 07:33:14 PM
There is an online CAPF 120 that is in the test stage, which will possibly add the F120 awards into the National database.
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Alaric on July 14, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on July 14, 2015, 07:33:14 PM
There is an online CAPF 120 that is in the test stage, which will possibly add the F120 awards into the National database.

That will be a start, but you would either need to do the upload thing or expand the module for all the ribbons that are not on the F120 (Community Services, CD, Find, etc)
Title: Re: Is CAPF 045 getting an update any time soon?
Post by: Tim Medeiros on July 19, 2015, 03:16:01 AM
Quote from: Alaric on July 14, 2015, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: MSG Mac on July 14, 2015, 07:33:14 PM
There is an online CAPF 120 that is in the test stage, which will possibly add the F120 awards into the National database.

That will be a start, but you would either need to do the upload thing or expand the module for all the ribbons that are not on the F120 (Community Services, CD, Find, etc)
The original request received was for the CAPF 120 only, however I've been working to get all the others from CAPR 39-3 included in a later version.  The IT Committee is also looking at what we need to do to get everything in the CAPF 45 and CAPF 66 in eServices.


In regards to entering old decorations, there will be a facility where certain personnel (Commanders and likely DP) will be able to enter old decorations.