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Title: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Cliff_Chambliss on June 16, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Drill is impecable.  Uniforms are sharp.  Just very impressive.

http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE (http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE)

Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on June 16, 2014, 04:48:52 PM
Very, thanks for posting it...

Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: SarDragon on June 16, 2014, 06:59:44 PM
I found it interesting that they were all within a couple of inches of being the same height. That makes it much easier to keep the pace and spacing even.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: lordmonar on June 16, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
60th China anniversary National Day Girls Parade Boot Camp Training Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAGPCjZ-WFo#ws)

Seems like they are a special team like the old guard......so I bet you they have height requirements like "5' 6" +/- 3" No waiver"
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on June 16, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
I have to admit that their Air Force service dress is snappy.

(http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pla6.jpg)

And, as these ladies show, the uniforms in general have shed their former overt Soviet influences.

(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/02/xin_5808040209565783031162.jpg)

In fact, the Army uniform reminds me more of the former U.S. Army Class "A" for female soldiers.

I really like the shade of blue the Air Force uniform uses.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Panache on June 17, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 16, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/02/xin_5808040209565783031162.jpg)

When I look at this picture, I can practically hear the giggling.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on June 17, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Panache on June 17, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 16, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/02/xin_5808040209565783031162.jpg)

When I look at this picture, I can practically hear the giggling.

Young women are young women no matter where you go...and I say that as a guy with five sisters and no brothers.

They're probably comparing notes as to whose uniform is the "cutest."

I know absolutely nothing about Chinese ranks so I've no idea who outranks who in this picture, but they must be fairly close to be "fraternising" so closely.

The only educated guess I can make is that none of them are fresh out of basic training, but they can't be too far up the ladder simply due to being so young.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Cliff_Chambliss on June 17, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 17, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Panache on June 17, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 16, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/02/xin_5808040209565783031162.jpg)

When I look at this picture, I can practically hear the giggling.

Young women are young women no matter where you go...and I say that as a guy with five sisters and no brothers.

They're probably comparing notes as to whose uniform is the "cutest."

I know absolutely nothing about Chinese ranks so I've no idea who outranks who in this picture, but they must be fairly close to be "fraternising" so closely.

The only educated guess I can make is that none of them are fresh out of basic training, but they can't be too far up the ladder simply due to being so young.

Oh I don't know about that.  I have known some absolutely beautiful Chinese and Vietnamese women and they seem to keep their really good looks for quite a while.  But when that time is up it's like they hit a stone wall at full speed.  No growing old gracefully.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Private Investigator on June 17, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: Cliff_Chambliss on June 17, 2014, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 17, 2014, 07:28:31 PM
Quote from: Panache on June 17, 2014, 03:47:43 AM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 16, 2014, 08:38:45 PM
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-08/02/xin_5808040209565783031162.jpg)

When I look at this picture, I can practically hear the giggling.

Young women are young women no matter where you go...and I say that as a guy with five sisters and no brothers.

They're probably comparing notes as to whose uniform is the "cutest."

I know absolutely nothing about Chinese ranks so I've no idea who outranks who in this picture, but they must be fairly close to be "fraternising" so closely.

The only educated guess I can make is that none of them are fresh out of basic training, but they can't be too far up the ladder simply due to being so young.

Oh I don't know about that.  I have known some absolutely beautiful Chinese and Vietnamese women and they seem to keep their really good looks for quite a while.  But when that time is up it's like they hit a stone wall at full speed.  No growing old gracefully.

Cliff, that surely sounds like a bigoted statement. You plan on having a beauty contest for octogenarians?  ::) 
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on June 17, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
I am pretty sure those sprigs of leafs on their visors are not a beauty ornament, and means pretty much the same as the "Clouds and Darts," "Scrambled Eggs," and "Oak Leaves" of our senior military. For this reason I think they are not far apart in grade/rank.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: LSThiker on June 17, 2014, 10:37:37 PM
Very nice and sharp.

Plus some attractive females (yes I know, not a professional comment).
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on June 17, 2014, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 17, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
I am pretty sure those sprigs of leafs on their visors are not a beauty ornament, and means pretty much the same as the "Clouds and Darts," "Scrambled Eggs," and "Oak Leaves" of our senior military. For this reason I think they are not far apart in grade/rank.

Well, I wondered about that myself.  Again, I know nothing about Chinese military ranks so I'm not sure what the braid signifies.  Do all officers get it, or just "field grade," as we do?

If the latter, well, they look a bit young to be Majors/Lieutenant Commanders, etc.

In the RAF/RAAF/RNZAF and formerly the RCAF, one has to reach Group Captain (O-6) before getting "scrambled eggs."

(http://453sqn.com.au/files/HATS/PWGC03.jpg)
1970s Aussie version as example as I like the "eagle" on their cap badge better. :)

However, in all three branches of the Canadian military, one gets cap braid (not quite "scrambled eggs") as soon as one is commissioned 2nd Lieutenant (Army/RCAF) or Acting Sub-Lieutenant (RCN).

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/tgAAAOxy4YdTTFzM/$_35.JPG)

So, again...almost anything could be inferred as to these ladies' ranks.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on June 17, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
It is not very clear what is on their epaulettes, but if the two ladies in green have stars between two bars, one may be the equivalent of a Major, two stars. If the other in green has three stars, she is the equivalent of a Lt Col. The one in white, Navy...? Appears to have three of those, but again, it is not clear. Stars? If so, equivalent to a Lt Col.

That is, if we are to believe Wikipedia. See Ranks of the People's Liberation Army, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army)
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on June 17, 2014, 11:29:15 PM
Ok, dug a little more...

Stars with one bar through appears to be Captain and below.

See this US Defense Dept photo of a People's Liberation Army Captain.

http://www.defense.gov/photos/newsphoto.aspx?newsphotoid=2977 (http://www.defense.gov/photos/newsphoto.aspx?newsphotoid=2977)

Three stars, one bar through...

And this is another Defense Dept photo, two stars one bar through is identified as a People's Liberation Army (Navy) Lt JG.

https://www.google.com/search?q=peoples+liberation+army+lieutenant&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=NZj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZcqgU_mtKaKysASZsYHABQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=635#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=4tNtYDzLJvOUiM%253A%3BgCCVe2nzfu0DRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.defense.gov%252Fspecials%252Fwomenshistory2001%252Fimages%252Fpicture9.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.defense.gov%252Fspecials%252Fwomenshistory2001%252Fphotos.html%3B1300%3B866 (https://www.google.com/search?q=peoples+liberation+army+lieutenant&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=NZj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZcqgU_mtKaKysASZsYHABQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=635#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=4tNtYDzLJvOUiM%253A%3BgCCVe2nzfu0DRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.defense.gov%252Fspecials%252Fwomenshistory2001%252Fimages%252Fpicture9.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.defense.gov%252Fspecials%252Fwomenshistory2001%252Fphotos.html%3B1300%3B866)

So the one in Blue may be the equivalent of a 2d Lt. One star, one bar through.

If these assumptions are correct, then the sprig of leaves on the ladies hat visors are not indicative of senior rank. From the Wikipedia article, senior officers are indicated with stars and another device at the end of the epaulette.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Panache on June 18, 2014, 03:53:13 AM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 17, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
It is not very clear what is on their epaulettes, but if the two ladies in green have stars between two bars, one may be the equivalent of a Major, two stars. If the other in green has three stars, she is the equivalent of a Lt Col. The one in white, Navy...? Appears to have three of those, but again, it is not clear. Stars? If so, equivalent to a Lt Col.

That is, if we are to believe Wikipedia. See Ranks of the People's Liberation Army, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranks_of_the_People%27s_Liberation_Army)

Appears to be confirmed by the "Uniform Insignia Encyclopedia".

The two officers in green (Army, I assume) appear to be field officers ( http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2673 (http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=2673) ) while the one in blue (Air Force?) appears to be a junior officer, probably a 2nd Lieutenant ( http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=3370 (http://www.uniforminsignia.org/?option=com_insigniasearch&Itemid=53&result=3370) ).
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Luis R. Ramos on June 18, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
After looking at Panache's post, those officers appear to be:

2 Full Colonels (one in green, Army? The other in white, Navy?)
One Lt Colonel (One in green)
One 2nd Lt. (Blue, Air Force?)
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: LSThiker on June 18, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
Quote from: Luis R. Ramos on June 18, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
After looking at Panache's post, those officers appear to be:

2 Full Colonels (one in green, Army? The other in white, Navy?)
One Lt Colonel (One in green)
One 2nd Lt. (Blue, Air Force?)

That is correct. 

When the type 07 uniforms were release in 2007, the colors were aligned as:

Army:  Green
Air Force:  Blue
Navy:  White (shoulder rank) or Navy Blue (cuff rank)
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on June 18, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Wouldn't the lady in the Naval uniform be a Captain, if she is an O-6 equivalent?

Those are still some very young-looking Captain(?) and Lieutenant Colonels.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: LSThiker on June 18, 2014, 01:48:16 PM
Quote from: CyBorg on June 18, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
Wouldn't the lady in the Naval uniform be a Captain, if she is an O-6 equivalent?

Those are still some very young-looking Captain(?) and Lieutenant Colonels.

Actually, she is OF-5 Captain.

If I recall correctly, the ensign and lieutenant junior are both OF-1. 

For the Army and AF, the second lieutenant and first lieutenant are both OF-1 as well. 

An OF-6 is a senior colonel (or US BG). 
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: The CyBorg is destroyed on June 18, 2014, 01:52:19 PM
They must have held on to some vestiges of Soviet rank at least in nomenclature, then.

Soviet (and current Russian) military ranks have three ranks of Lieutenant; the Navy also has a rank of Captain-Lieutenant.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: RNOfficer on July 03, 2014, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: Cliff_Chambliss on June 16, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Drill is impecable.  Uniforms are sharp.  Just very impressive.

http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE (http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE)

First rule of military history: the side with the prettiest uniforms loses.
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Private Investigator on July 03, 2014, 04:46:06 PM
Quote from: RNOfficer on July 03, 2014, 01:47:17 AM
Quote from: Cliff_Chambliss on June 16, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Drill is impecable.  Uniforms are sharp.  Just very impressive.

http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE (http://youtu.be/1vA4T1wfJLE)

First rule of military history: the side with the prettiest uniforms loses.

True if you think a kilt is just manly, I hate it when somebody says the County Cork pattern is "pretty"!  8)
Title: Re: Chinese Military Pass in Review
Post by: Johnny Yuma on July 06, 2014, 12:19:44 AM
I stopped 30 seconds into the video, I'll take a woman in each color >:D

The problem with Hot Asian Women is an hour later you want more. ;)