Greetings & Salutations! Was a member of the National Capitol Wing at Bolling AFB and was then a Master Sergeant and later after I left, the C.A.P. discontinued both Warrant Officer and enlisted ranks, the lowest rank was Senior Member, however I recall there being in the regulations a paragraph saying former enlisted ranked persons could regain and hold their highest grade as an N.C.O., or former U.S.A.F. enlisted could also ask to hold their enlisted ranks too, not sure of ever seeing anyone wearing anything other than Second Lieutenant's golden bar? Just wondered? Maybe they'll restore enlisted ranks down the road? Thanks from Sarge (Herbert Booker) of Florida. :)
The following requirements need to be met in order to qualify for an NCO grade appointment:
Quote from: CAPR 35-5, 27 Dec 2012, Section 6-2
a. Only those CAP members who are military or ex-military NCOs and do not wish to be considered for CAP officer grades may be appointed to a CAP NCO grade under provisions of this section. The CAP grade granted will be equivalent to the grade held in the active duty military, Reserve or National Guard.
b. The member must also have completed Level I of the Senior Member Professional Development Program.
Are you a retired or former Air Force Master Sergeant or E-7 equivalent from another branch of the Armed Forces? If you are, then all you need to do is submit a copy of your DD Form 214, military ID or promotion order as appropriate, and once that is verified and you complete Level I, you would qualify for that rank. You will, however, not get promoted any further since CAP does not have at the moment an NCO program.
You could also ask for grade reinstatement if you have supporting documentation.
Quote from: CAPR 35-5, 27 Dec 2012
3-8. Former Members. A former member may be reinstated to the same grade held prior to voluntary membership termination, provided he or she qualifies for that grade under current criteria (including applicable senior member professional development criteria). A recommendation for such reinstatement is neither automatic nor mandatory. If approved, the appointment will not be retroactive and the date of grade will be the date validated by National Headquarters upon reinstatement.
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Welcome back Sgt!
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph? If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.
Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph? If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.
Joe, the coincidences seem to indicate that's pretty likely. The gentleman pictured is a CAP MSgt from National Capitol Wing with the nameplate Booker, as is the original poster.
MSgt, you should be proud that photograph of you (if it is, indeed, you) has been circulated around for some time. I remember seeing that as a cadet.
Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph? If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.
You just like the picture because he's wearing his Service Cap! >:D
Quote from: PHall on May 02, 2013, 12:57:56 AM
Quote from: Major Carrales on May 02, 2013, 12:37:20 AM
Is the originator of this thread the fellow in this photograph? If so, I have noticed this photo for years and am pleased and honored to make you acquaintance.
You just like the picture because he's wearing his Service Cap! >:D
;D
As an Air Force Master Sergeant and 15 year member of National Capital Wing, I feel it is my duty to grow my sideburns to the standard set forth by MSgt Booker. It's just the right thing to do.
Thinks to myself: [darn] I was born a generation or two too late.Edit to add:
Quote from: hhbooker2 on April 29, 2013, 11:14:55 PM
Thank you one and all! Respectfully yours, Sarge (Herbert Booker of Palm Coast, Florida) ;D
Sir, I live in Jacksonville and would love to buy you a beverage of your choice. I always stop at the Sonny's BBQ place when I'm in your neck of the woods.
As a note, I posted the picture based on the grade and wing stated. Didn't even notice the nameplate. If this is in fact THAT MSgt... Awesome.
Quote from: usafaux2004 on May 02, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
As a note, I posted the picture based on the grade and wing stated. Didn't even notice the nameplate. If this is in fact THAT MSgt... Awesome.
I gotta admit: this thread is so full of win.
That's an odd MSGT rank
Quote from: J2H on May 02, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
That's an odd MSGT rank
Senior NCO chevrons (MSgt, SMSgt, and CMSgt) were different for the Air Force and CAP prior to 1991 and CSAF General McPeak. They had one less stripe up top, one more on the bottom.
I did not know that. thank you
Greetings & Salutations! On my website, Booker's Free Web Library, https://picasaweb.google.com/booker1942 (https://picasaweb.google.com/booker1942) I show all of the Air Force chevrons dating back to when they were under the Army Signal Corps in 1914. During the First World War they wore a winged propellor centered below their chevrons as well as a Master Electrician chevrons which had an open wreath below the winged prop and a star above it. In 1920 they P.X. they sold unauthorized chevrons with the winged prop through to 1948, I believe until the Berlin Airlift? LTC William K. Emerson's book "CHEVRONS" shows their history as well, you can also find many e-books on uniforms and insignia that include the Air Service, the Army Air Corps and the Army Air Forces at www.archive.org (http://www.archive.org) and at www.scribd.com (http://www.scribd.com) too! Yes, Master Sergeant wore six chevrons, now five below and one inverted "V" above! A.S.M.I.C. Trading Post carried an article on the new USAF ranks for Airmen and Sergeants. My website has over 3,300 albums and you can download whatever you want and use it however you wish! As a type II diabetic, have to be cautious of what I consume in beverages, maybe could do with a Diet Coca Cola! I've got a lot of books to scan daily, so watch the website expand each day. I have Navy and Marine Corps uniform regulations dating to 1841 to 1941 and working on U.S.A.F. regs too, from the Airman's Guide. Lots of pictures (scans) of Squadron Insignia too from WW2 Sarge (Herbert Booker)
But, is that you in the picture above?
If that is him then we have a legend on our hands gents.... that picture is legendary and has been floating around CAP for decades.
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 03, 2013, 04:17:44 AMIf that is him then we have a legend on our hands gents.... that picture is legendary and has been floating around CAP for decades.
Sort of like your name plate .. when you went back to the unit.
Well, okay, not quite. But.. :)
Oh its him! His profile pic on the link provided matches up, rocking the old school khaki with Infantry Cord! LEGENDARY!!!
I went to his Picasa site ... if the pictures posted there that are identified as "Profile" are of him, then it's him in the classic CAP MSgt photo.
Welcome, MSgt Booker! You indeed are an icon!
Jack
Quote from: a2capt on May 03, 2013, 06:41:35 AM
Quote from: Flying Pig on May 03, 2013, 04:17:44 AMIf that is him then we have a legend on our hands gents.... that picture is legendary and has been floating around CAP for decades.
Sort of like your name plate .. when you went back to the unit.
Well, okay, not quite. But.. :)
That was an epic experience of biblical proportion for all who were involved.... entirely different category ;D
Quote from: ColonelJack on May 03, 2013, 10:16:12 AM
I went to his Picasa site ... if the pictures posted there that are identified as "Profile" are of him, then it's him in the classic CAP MSgt photo.
Welcome, MSgt Booker! You indeed are an icon!
Jack
Greetings & Salutations! Me, an icon? Really? Maybe they'll restore airmen and NCO ranks in the Civil Air Patrol if enough people ask for that! Lieutenant Colonel Preston Perrenot (Las Vegas, NV) has a lot of good books and CDs on the insignia of the U.S. Armed Forces going back to the American Revolution to the present including the Civil Air Patrol, Auxiliary of the U.S. Air Force. Itr woulds appear the highest C.A.P. in WW2 was a Major! Don't known when they added Lieutenant Colonel, Colonel and Brigadier General ranks? Was surprised when Major General was included, Lieutenant General in the future? The U.S. Revenue Cutter Service, forerunner to the U.S. Coast Guard had the rank of Captain. U.S. Marine Corps gradually got Brigadier General, then Major General, etc., just a matter of time they'll have a Lieutenant General?
Quote from: hhbooker2 on May 05, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
Quote from: ColonelJack on May 03, 2013, 10:16:12 AM
I went to his Picasa site ... if the pictures posted there that are identified as "Profile" are of him, then it's him in the classic CAP MSgt photo.
Welcome, MSgt Booker! You indeed are an icon!
Jack
Greetings & Salutations! Me, an icon? Really? Maybe they'll restore airmen and NCO ranks in the Civil Air Patrol if enough people ask for that! Lieutenant Colonel Preston Perrenot (Las Vegas, NV) has a lot of good books and CDs on the insignia of the U.S. Armed Forces going back to the American Revolution to the present including the Civil Air Patrol, Auxiliary of the U.S. Air Force. Itr woulds appear the highest C.A.P. in WW2 was a Major! Don't known when they added Lieutenant Colonel, Colonel and Brigadier General ranks? Was surprised when Major General was included, Lieutenant General in the future? The U.S. Revenue Cutter Service, forerunner to the U.S. Coast Guard had the rank of Captain. U.S. Marine Corps gradually got Brigadier General, then Major General, etc., just a matter of time they'll have a Lieutenant General?
Sergeant Booker, there are NCO ranks in CAP. They're reserved for current and former Military NCO's. Just need to show proof that you are/were an NCO in the military and it's yours.
This reminds me that Mawg, in late 70's to at least early 80's, appointed senior members to grades from ssg to msg, even without prior nco service. I don't think it was authorized by national, but still done on a few occasions.
As stated before you can become a CAP NCO by getting reinstatement for your previous rank or providing proof that you were an NCO in the Armed Forces. If you became a NCO you wouldn't be able to advance above Level 1 of the senior member program though. That being said you could still do a lot of good work from that rank so its up to you.
Quote from: LCG8928 on May 05, 2013, 12:46:26 PM
As stated before you can become a CAP NCO by getting reinstatement for your previous rank or providing proof that you were an NCO in the Armed Forces. If you became a NCO you wouldn't be able to advance above Level 1 of the senior member program though. That being said you could still do a lot of good work from that rank so its up to you.
Greetings & Salutations! In the regular Army you might make it as far as SSG (E-6), SFC (E-7) or even to MSG/1SG (E-8), few make it to SGM or CSM (E-9), so not getting promoted higher than Staff Sergeant, Technical Sergeant or Master Sergeant would come as no shock! Same could be said for peaking at Lieutenant Colonel, how many can make full Colonel? Besides myself, only saw a female CAP member who was a Tech Sergeant (5 chevrons), never ever saw 4 chevrons of a Staff Sergeant in my time? Saw no Warrant Officers either. My stepfather was a civilian pilot who retired from the U.S. Navy (Submarine Service) in 1949, they started him as a Captain in the C.A.P. in Charleston, South Carolina. Saw a lot of Lieutenant Colonels and full Colonels at National Capitol Wing, maybe they were from other Squadrons? I'd be okay with being a Senior Member unless they needed someone to perform a duty requiring a Second Lieutenant? Whatever for the good of the squadron!
Quote from: m981 on May 05, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
This reminds me that Mawg, in late 70's to at least early 80's, appointed senior members to grades from ssg to msg, even without prior nco service. I don't think it was authorized by national, but still done on a few occasions.
Roger that. In the 80s a Senior Squadron asked me what I wanted to do. I told them I would like to be the First Sergeant. The Commander said, "that's ok with me." (The Commander was a Career CAP Squadron Commander and he really loved his little kingdom that came with a plane too) 8)
Quote from: hhbooker2 on May 05, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
Quote from: LCG8928 on May 05, 2013, 12:46:26 PM
As stated before you can become a CAP NCO by getting reinstatement for your previous rank or providing proof that you were an NCO in the Armed Forces. If you became a NCO you wouldn't be able to advance above Level 1 of the senior member program though. That being said you could still do a lot of good work from that rank so its up to you.
Greetings & Salutations! In the regular Army you might make it as far as SSG (E-6), SFC (E-7) or even to MSG/1SG (E-8), few make it to SGM or CSM (E-9), so not getting promoted higher than Staff Sergeant, Technical Sergeant or Master Sergeant would come as no shock!
Whatever for the good of the squadron!
I reenlisted in the Army National Guard in '82 and we had a SSG that was in Patton's Third Army. Good stories indeed. 8)