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Operations => Aviation & Flying Activities => Topic started by: Eclipse on December 14, 2012, 03:06:31 AM

Title: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Eclipse on December 14, 2012, 03:06:31 AM
Along with the announcement of the retirement of the HGA, it was also indicated that the National Flight Academies would
now be run as Region-level activities and no longer be considered NCSAs.

It won't mean much, if anything, to the actual activities, funding and process will remain the same.
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: coudano on December 14, 2012, 07:33:51 AM
That's a bummer,
cadets are forbidden to solo in some cases, they should at least come out with an ncsa ribbon, imho
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: a2capt on December 14, 2012, 05:51:17 PM
Where is this announcement?
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Майор Хаткевич on December 14, 2012, 05:56:42 PM
Yea I can't find it either...
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Cool Mace on December 14, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I heard this at our last Wing meeting.

Planning, and spending will remain the same. So I don't see why it should be removed as a NCSA.

I didn't hear that cadets are forbidden to solo in some cases. I know not all cadets are able to solo due to lack of flight time, or aren't ready before the end of it.
But not being able to solo in "some cases" doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Eclipse on December 14, 2012, 06:45:39 PM
A memo downstream from Maj Gen Carr - I don't see it posted publicly yet, either.
It indicated the activities will still be eligible for the ribbon, with the primary differences in the activities being localized command and resource allocation.

Other then some details, I don't think it will make much difference to the participants or the activities themselves.
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Thrashed on December 14, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
Same as the gliders have been. http://www.ner.cap.gov/ops/GCOE_academy.php (http://www.ner.cap.gov/ops/GCOE_academy.php)
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: jimmydeanno on December 14, 2012, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: Cool Mace on December 14, 2012, 06:37:37 PM
I know not all cadets are able to solo due to lack of flight time, or aren't ready before the end of it.

You answered your own question.  The above are, "some cases."

Weather, lack of skill, failure to perform, etc., would forbid some cadets from being able to solo at the academy. 
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: Cool Mace on December 14, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
The way it came across is that even if they are ready to solo, have enough time and everything is lined out, they still can't. Maybe I'm just reading too far into it. It tends to happen every now and then...
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: coudano on December 15, 2012, 02:41:41 AM
i was making reference to capr 60-1 3-7.a.2

but eclipse already addressed thenribbon thing, so nevermind, carry on!
Title: Re: Flight Academies no longer NCSAs
Post by: a2capt on December 17, 2012, 10:58:32 AM
Interesting though, that the NCSA site listings don't indicate the flight academies are not "National" anymore, other than in the name of the event. The new CAPR 60-1 (12-December, 2012) defines them a little more too. I realize many non-National level activities use the same system due to it's familiarity and a similar selection process for said event.

At least they didn't remove the ribbon from the event since these are typically fairly high level, competitive selection events and even just the selection is supposed to be an indicator of accomplishments over their cadet career, which is really what the ribbon specifies. 

Yes, I know. Some people think we have too many ribbons, but another thread seems to have shown that some of the active duty branches have more than CAP does. So.. :)

Regardless of what, even if it's Podunk Composite Squadron offering a 10 day focused activity in one airplane for 5 cadets over a 10 day period, it may not sound like much but it is quite a deal. The environment is typically more aviation immersed than the typical FBO/flight school operation.