New Chaplains needed?

[RogueLeader]

Getting back to the original question in this thread.

No, don't need any "new" Chaplians. The existing Chaplains will get an orientation on who/what the Druids are and what Chaplain services they may require.

Just like they do for every other religion.....

Chaplains are expected to be flexible and "fill in" for Chaplains of other faiths when they are not available.

If a Druid or Wiccian "leader, priest, whatever the propper term is" is interested in being a CAP Chaplain; why not?  They just need to support everybody else, like all the chaplains do.  Just have to create the badge, which is another can of worms.

[Ned]

Don't forget that a pagan or Wiccan chaplain would need to receive the required ecclesiastical endorsement from a religious body found on the Armed Forced Chaplains Board list and have a BA and a seminary degree as required by CAPR 265-1 prior to appointment.

(Click here for the AFCB List.  Pretty interesting list, but I couldn't find anything for the Wiccans or pagans.)

  Just have to create the badge, which is another can of worms.

Now you are talking!  It all comes down to uniforms.  I wanna help design the Pagan and Wiccan badges!

[Fuzzy]

Druids were ancient Celts, and practiced ( as much as anyone can really verify) a sort of pantheistic, naturalistic religion. Many of their practices involved human sacrifice. The modern day practice of Halloween has much more to do with the Druids then the Christians, and involved Druid priests seizing your virgin daughters ( the "treat") or burning your house down ( the "trick") Stonehenge apparently had some connection to the Druids, although what it was used for is a matter of some conjecture. It was probably not a car wash.

Wiccans are a hybrid of Witchcraft, Gaea Worship, (Earth Mother God) and Naturist Beliefs. Although most deny their links to Satanism, its pretty thinly veiled, and its more of an agglomeration of beliefs which tend to justify their sometimes "freethinking" sexual practices.

I think that we in CAP should take a strong, courageous, and moral stand, and just say, Well, ritual human sacrifice is just unacceptable in CAP!"  Some may have strong views to the contrary. Animal Sacrifice should be okay if carried out by a Chaplain whenever possible. ( I have to admit, that many Rabbits and chickens have met an untimely end at the hands of  Cadet Survival School students)

Major Lord

I'd really like to hear what a druid or wiccan thinks of this characterization of their beliefs. I don't know enough about their religions to tell if what you stated is completely true or not, but it sounds like it comes with a serious slant.

Case in point. I sorta doubt they would say they worship Satan. Dunno maybe they do.

Plus nobody was even talking about animal sacrifices. So thanks for taking that strong moral stand against something nobody suggested we were going to do in CAP.

[Hawk200]

I will fight to the death for an individuals' right of free speech.  However, the respondant to the AF link identified himself as a Volunteer Chaplain with the VA and a MLO with the Civil Air Patrol.  By giving such identifiers he says that the VA and CAP have shaped his opinion that what has been done at the Air Force Academy is wrong.  While I don't have an issue with his exercise of his free speech, he has carelessly lumped all of us in the CAP Chaplain Corps as agreeing with his position.  The Chaplain Corps position is to welcome and minister to all CAP members regardless of their religious identification or non-religious identification.  This is specifically articulated in the CAP Chaplain Code of Ethics CAPR-265-1.  To the best of my knowledge Character Development Officers are also bound by the ethic of pluralistic ministry.

I would agree. I find the comment distasteful as well. The individual has basically spoken for both of the organizations he mentioned.

The right of free speech is an individual right, it does not allow an individual to speak for any organization of which they are a part. His statement has probably already caused damage to our organizations' name, as well as the VA.

If I found that someone had made a statement mentioning our organization in such a manner, I would definitely have a counseling session with the individual.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Maybe Emailing the moderator to remove the organization names would be best..,.

[JayT]

Druids were ancient Celts, and practiced ( as much as anyone can really verify) a sort of pantheistic, naturalistic religion. Many of their practices involved human sacrifice. The modern day practice of Halloween has much more to do with the Druids then the Christians, and involved Druid priests seizing your virgin daughters ( the "treat") or burning your house down ( the "trick") Stonehenge apparently had some connection to the Druids, although what it was used for is a matter of some conjecture. It was probably not a car wash.

Wiccans are a hybrid of Witchcraft, Gaea Worship, (Earth Mother God) and Naturist Beliefs. Although most deny their links to Satanism, its pretty thinly veiled, and its more of an agglomeration of beliefs which tend to justify their sometimes "freethinking" sexual practices.

I think that we in CAP should take a strong, courageous, and moral stand, and just say, Well, ritual human sacrifice is just unacceptable in CAP!"  Some may have strong views to the contrary. Animal Sacrifice should be okay if carried out by a Chaplain whenever possible. ( I have to admit, that many Rabbits and chickens have met an untimely end at the hands of  Cadet Survival School students)

Major Lord

Citation for any of that sir?

"In a world where billions believe their Deity concieved a mortal child with a virgin woman, its stunning how little imgination most people have."

[Майор Хаткевич]

I'm not sure, but I think (and hope) that Major Lord wrote his post with tongue in cheek.

[flyguy06]

Druids were ancient Celts, and practiced ( as much as anyone can really verify) a sort of pantheistic, naturalistic religion. Many of their practices involved human sacrifice. The modern day practice of Halloween has much more to do with the Druids then the Christians, and involved Druid priests seizing your virgin daughters ( the "treat") or burning your house down ( the "trick") Stonehenge apparently had some connection to the Druids, although what it was used for is a matter of some conjecture. It was probably not a car wash.

Wiccans are a hybrid of Witchcraft, Gaea Worship, (Earth Mother God) and Naturist Beliefs. Although most deny their links to Satanism, its pretty thinly veiled, and its more of an agglomeration of beliefs which tend to justify their sometimes "freethinking" sexual practices.

I think that we in CAP should take a strong, courageous, and moral stand, and just say, Well, ritual human sacrifice is just unacceptable in CAP!"  Some may have strong views to the contrary. Animal Sacrifice should be okay if carried out by a Chaplain whenever possible. ( I have to admit, that many Rabbits and chickens have met an untimely end at the hands of  Cadet Survival School students)

Major Lord

Major Lord,

I dont think we have to denounce human sacrafice in CAP. Its kinda already against the law. Its called Murder. I think thats getting a bit deep. Thank you for the research on Druids and Wiccans, My life is more fulfilled now. lol. just kidding.