Activities that qualify for Community Service Ribbon

[James Shaw]

In keeping with some of the comments does that mean that if you receive the Presidential Volunteer Service Award that those hours "total" would count towards the Community Service Ribbon? They require hundreds even a couple of thousand hours!

[JC004]

In keeping with some of the comments does that mean that if you receive the Presidential Volunteer Service Award that those hours "total" would count towards the Community Service Ribbon? They require hundreds even a couple of thousand hours!

6,000 for the one that I have, in fact.  Why not?  They don't get cancelled out and they are tracked by a certifying organization.  You can't wear the PVSA on the uniform otherwise (although I think the ribbon should conform to those standards - bronze, silver, and gold star attachments - maybe 3 gold stars for the PCTSA).

[James Shaw]

6,000 for the one that I have, in fact.  Why not?  They don't get cancelled out and they are tracked by a certifying organization.  You can't wear the PVSA on the uniform otherwise (although I think the ribbon should conform to those standards - bronze, silver, and gold star attachments - maybe 3 gold stars for the PCTSA).

So.....

If I estimate close to right that means close to 12 devices for the CSR, but you can only wear 4 at a time. I dont believe that you can wear multiple CSR ribbons. That is a little overwhelming.....

Or as someone once told me about a previous award "prideful and pretentious" maybe?

I have 4180 recorded, I have the 4000 Presidential Cert.

[Eclipse]

The award is based on the subjective approval of the CC, so whether it can be awarded for service never previously discussed or before you joined CAP is up to him.

In my AOR I set the bar that the activity had to be pre-approved and formalized in advance.  It also had to be something you weren't planning on doing or had to do as part of service to another organization (church, etc.).   This was to prevent ribbon trollers breaking out 10 year old day minders to get a CSR. 

I had more than a few people putting in for going to church, or some work project they had to do anyway, etc.  I also had one request for a cadet who
had helped out at a private business for free.  This office provided "financial services", and somehow that was supposed to be a community service.This was not a pro-bono service or anything similar.  I also pointed out that CAP units were not a free labor pool.

YMMV.

[JC004]

When the number of devices exceeds the authorized maximum, a second ribbon is worn to the wearer's left of the initial ribbon. The second ribbon counts as one subsequent award.

The Community Service ribbon section doesn't limit itself to a single award or anything like that, so a second ribbon would fall under the above.

[James Shaw]

When the number of devices exceeds the authorized maximum, a second ribbon is worn to the wearer's left of the initial ribbon. The second ribbon counts as one subsequent award.

The Community Service ribbon section doesn't limit itself to a single award or anything like that, so a second ribbon would fall under the above.

Personally I could not do that, I might wear just the one ribbon and not worry about the rest. But it still nice to have it I guess.

[JC004]

You said "can," so I was responding to that part.  I don't even own one, let alone wear both.

[SoCalMarine]

If I estimate close to right that means close to 12 devices for the CSR, but you can only wear 4 at a time. I dont believe that you can wear multiple CSR ribbons. That is a little overwhelming.....

Well I think you're off. He said 6,000. The CSR is awarded for ever 60 hours. Doing the math that would be 100 awards... that is unless I messed someone's numbers up there. If that's the case, I'd say that the CSR requirements would need to be rewritten for sure. I mean, it would look stupid to have four of the same ribbons with nearly four Silver Stars on each.

This is another reason CAP needs to include the gold star like everyone else does to denote "x" number of Silver Stars.

[kmbarnes1]

This is another reason CAP needs to include the gold star like everyone else does to denote "x" number of Silver Stars.

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

[SoCalMarine]

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

Well, I just found out that Gen Courter's predecessor will be at my squadron tonight (yes everyone I WILL be in blues) so maybe I can ask him?

[jimmydeanno]

It's a simple as writing up the proposal and sending it to the nearest corporate officer in the chain of command.  If they like it, they'll propose it at the NB meeting.  If not, then it musn't be a good idea 

[Eclipse]

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

Well, I just found out that Gen Courter's predecessor will be at my squadron tonight (yes everyone I WILL be in blues) so maybe I can ask him?

HWSRN?

[The CyBorg is destroyed]

HWSRN?

If His Excellency, General Officer Commanding USRC is there a full report is expected.

Anyhoo...

I do a fair bit of work for my church, mostly serving as a lector (that's what Lutherans call it; others may call it a lay reader, liturgist, Eucharistic Minister, etc.).  I've done that for years.

Under Eclipse's criteria, that would not be acceptable for the CSR?   I'm not talking about getting church records for the last 15 years and trying to cadge a ribbon that way...it would be something I'd discuss with my pastor and unit CC in advance.

[NCRblues]

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

Well, I just found out that Gen Courter's predecessor will be at my squadron tonight (yes everyone I WILL be in blues) so maybe I can ask him?

Uh... i hope he will not be attending your meeting... Since he was 2b'd....

[Майор Хаткевич]

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

Well, I just found out that Gen Courter's predecessor will be at my squadron tonight (yes everyone I WILL be in blues) so maybe I can ask him?

HWSRN?

^^^

Bring a Video Camera. Figure out how to set up a live stream!

Take pictures!

[SarDragon]

Good Idea.... Does anyone have any suggestions on how to write this up and forward up the chain of command? If we don't submit something, nothing will ever change.

Well, I just found out that Gen Courter's predecessor will be at my squadron tonight (yes everyone I WILL be in blues) so maybe I can ask him?

Uh... i hope he will not be attending your meeting... Since he was 2b'd....

That's affirm. He doesn't show up in eServices.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Doesn't mean he can't try to show up...

[Flying Pig]

They are by definition awarded retroactively because the hours are performed in the past.

The requirements do not specify anything about CAP membership requirements, so there is now "how far back."

The requirement is 60 hours outside CAP that isn't performed as part of a CAP community service project.  It's simple.  Keep it simple.

Well right, but every award is retroactive in that sense. No one gets awarded for something they've not yet done.

What I mean is in the typical military sense of the word... retroactive meaning previous years, or not retroactive meaning only current year.

Well, I think membership requirements aren't mentioned because its generally a given that you can't earn an award in an organization for something you did when you weren't part of that organization. I mean, I saved a guy's life back in 1990 by giving CPR when he collapsed with a heart attack along with the help of a doctor on the tennis courts. I couldn't apply for a lifesaving award now for what I did than...

but you know what... come to think of it... I was still in CAP when that happened. I have the records showing I was a member then, and I have all the newspaper articles (whole newspaper even) about what I did. I wonder... haha... that would be an interesting look on the face of the person getting that F-120!

The President did.

[JC004]

They are by definition awarded retroactively because the hours are performed in the past.

The requirements do not specify anything about CAP membership requirements, so there is now "how far back."

The requirement is 60 hours outside CAP that isn't performed as part of a CAP community service project.  It's simple.  Keep it simple.

Well right, but every award is retroactive in that sense. No one gets awarded for something they've not yet done.

What I mean is in the typical military sense of the word... retroactive meaning previous years, or not retroactive meaning only current year.

Well, I think membership requirements aren't mentioned because its generally a given that you can't earn an award in an organization for something you did when you weren't part of that organization. I mean, I saved a guy's life back in 1990 by giving CPR when he collapsed with a heart attack along with the help of a doctor on the tennis courts. I couldn't apply for a lifesaving award now for what I did than...

but you know what... come to think of it... I was still in CAP when that happened. I have the records showing I was a member then, and I have all the newspaper articles (whole newspaper even) about what I did. I wonder... haha... that would be an interesting look on the face of the person getting that F-120!

The President did.

Actually...yes.

There is no "current" year in regulations. 

[SoCalMarine]

OK, so I'm home from the squadron meeting.

Good news is I got pictures. Bad news is that my friend (the ES office for the sqdn) apparently can't tell the difference between the immediate past national commander, and the immediate past WING commander.

Anyway, it was good to hang-out with the Col. He's a good guy. Plus, I popped some of the questions to him that we've been discussing here about the CSR, and even me obtaining a lifesaving award from all the way back in 1990.

Sorry to get some of you excited. I should have known better knowing Stayton the way I do. Not to mention I spent the night in the freaking hot service dress uniform.