Is it ok to wear Decorations (Via Ranks, Ribbons, Name Plate) on this?

Started by C/MSgt Lunsford, October 23, 2009, 03:19:30 AM

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C/MSgt Lunsford

I have a Army Dress Coat (Trench Coat) and I took a picture with my Ranks and ribbons on it.

Is it ok to wear ribbons and ranks on this, is it ok with CAP Regulations?

Wright Brothers #13915

capchiro

The word that comes to mind is..NO!!  The next thing that comes to mind is CAPM-39-1..
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C/MSgt Lunsford

Quote from: capchiro on October 23, 2009, 03:30:41 AM
The word that comes to mind is..NO!!  The next thing that comes to mind is CAPM-39-1..
Ok. Thanks. I was Just wondering.

Wright Brothers #13915

SarDragon

Is it a CAP uniform item?

Is it pictured or discussed in CAPM 39-1?

Is it even an Air Force uniform item?

Are ribbons and decorations (note the spelling) worn on what the AF calls outerwear - jackets, coats, sweaters, etc.? (CAPM 39-1, para 5-1, page 89, to save you some time)

For the answer to your Q, continue with the answer for the Qs above.

You need to read or review CAPM 39-1 to clarify in your mind the differences between decorations, rank, and ribbons. They are not the same and don't fit into the same group.
Dave Bowles
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Eclipse

1) On what page of CAPM 39-1 does anything remotely resembling that jacket appear?

□ Page 12.

□ I have never read CAPM 39-1.

□ I use only CAPM 39-2 (because its one more).

□ I was hoping no one would notice.


2) Choose all that apply:

□ Date on the camera is wrong.

□ I have been wearing this jacket like this for over 4 years.

□ All of the above.

□ Other.


"That Others May Zoom"

C/MSgt Lunsford

I have skimmed through the Uniform Regs, haven't read it fully though. And I know the date is wrong, I'm not worried about it, it's my mums camera. I made this thread to ask if it was okay to wear it, thats all.

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Eclipse


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C/MSgt Lunsford

Quote from: Eclipse on October 23, 2009, 03:52:47 AM
Quote from: Lunsford on October 23, 2009, 03:46:39 AM
I have skimmed through the Uniform Regs...

...ay, there's the rub...
Yes I admit to not reading the regs fully. I'll find time sooner or later.

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SarDragon

Then it would be a good idea to do so before asking more questions where you expect us to do the work for you.
Dave Bowles
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AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

JoeTomasone

It's moments like this where I sometimes feel a test on 39-1 ought to be passed before the privilege of wearing the uniform is earned.


IceNine

^ Second.  And for each combination not just a test on uniforms.
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: JoeTomasone on October 23, 2009, 06:52:17 AM
It's moments like this where I sometimes feel a test on 39-1 ought to be passed before the privilege of wearing the uniform is earned.

WIWAC/AB, the Curry test had some questions, but I believe most related to grade and customs and courtesies. I wouldn't mind seeing a uniform portion though. That said, the unit should have cadets Sgts or C/Officers who train the new cadets and go over these things...

I also want to see this coat, as it seems the image was pulled after the responses...

Rodriguez


With all respect, and I truly do mean that, I believe were a bit to hard on questions like these. Its obvious this is a C/AB were talking to here. At that grade I couldn't quote you on 39-1. I'm actually glad that he came on here and asked about it. I cant tell you how many times Ive seen cadets who would just wear the items in question and ask about them later. Which if your reading this Lunsford, and I hope you are, Is wrong.

Now, I'm in no way, shape or form saying that he shouldn't take a look at the regs before he asks, because he really should. But, instead of implying that a C/AB should "Memorize" the 39-1, we should tell him or her, Hey this is where you can find the info on your uniforms, get familiar with it and if you have questions, ASK before you do. Simple as that.

Just a friendly suggestion.
-C/Capt. Rodriguez, Ranger Staff, 11B Infantryman 53rd Brigade Combat Team FLARNG

Rodriguez

Pardon my last post I misread your grade Lunsford you are a C/A1C.
-C/Capt. Rodriguez, Ranger Staff, 11B Infantryman 53rd Brigade Combat Team FLARNG

Майор Хаткевич

And given his grade of C/A1C, and time in CAP, this is something he should be helping the newer cadets with, not getting help.

MIKE

So Cadet Rodriguez, how exactly does one score Model Rocket Sharpshooter?  My Goddard only has a silver star on it... Guess I'm just a Marksman... Unguided model rockets generally being considered an imprecise weapon.

;D
Mike Johnston

Eclipse


"That Others May Zoom"

Майор Хаткевич

Is that what it is? I thought it was a weird 8 or a weird star glitch.

Hawk200

Quote from: Lunsford on October 23, 2009, 03:56:31 AMYes I admit to not reading the regs fully. I'll find time sooner or later.

It should have been when you joined, and before you ever wore a uniform. "I just made mine like everyone else's" isn't the way to do it.

Here's a link to the current pubs: CAP Publications

Since there are change letters, you need to read those as well. They are located here: Change letters.

Check this stuff out first, and don't be experimenting when it comes to uniform configurations. The only authorized configurations are specified in the manuals and letters.

And definitely read them before asking about things.

IceNine

Quote from: Rodriguez on October 23, 2009, 01:42:43 PM

With all respect, and I truly do mean that, I believe were a bit to hard on questions like these. Its obvious this is a C/AB were talking to here. At that grade I couldn't quote you on 39-1. I'm actually glad that he came on here and asked about it. I cant tell you how many times Ive seen cadets who would just wear the items in question and ask about them later. Which if your reading this Lunsford, and I hope you are, Is wrong.

Now, I'm in no way, shape or form saying that he shouldn't take a look at the regs before he asks, because he really should. But, instead of implying that a C/AB should "Memorize" the 39-1, we should tell him or her, Hey this is where you can find the info on your uniforms, get familiar with it and if you have questions, ASK before you do. Simple as that.

Just a friendly suggestion.

And there are places that contain a gathering of people usually once a week that are designed with these issues in mind.

There is probably someone there that could actually look at it and make a decision.  Probably someone there that goes by flight commander.
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4