Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
December 22, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
Home Help Login Register
News:

CAP Talk  |  General Discussion  |  Uniforms & Awards  |  Topic: Shoulder Chords
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Pages: [1] 2  All Print
Author Topic: Shoulder Chords  (Read 3453 times)
infinitefoxfire75
Recruit

Posts: 13

« on: July 27, 2009, 08:40:55 PM »

I have a huge question.  When it comes to shoulder chords which is which.  I can't find any regs on which one is which


Blue shoulder chord is......
Red shoulder chord is......
White shoulder chord is......
Silver shoulder chord is......
Yellow shoulder chord is......

please hit me up.
Logged
c/TSgt Rosebel Jeni-Lei Belong
WOCS HI-075 (Hawaii)
Cadet Admin/Personnel NCO

"If you like talk, hit me up! No Shame! Mahalo & Ā hui hou aku"
Eclipse
Too Much Free Time Award
***
Posts: 24,223

« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 08:49:30 PM »

I have a huge question.  When it comes to shoulder chords which is which.  I can't find any regs on which one is which


Blue shoulder chord is......not standard, varies by wing
Red shoulder chord is......cadets assigned to Wing CAC
White shoulder chord is......cadets participating in an NCC golor guard
Silver shoulder chord is......cadet Honor Guard Academy graduates
Yellow shoulder chord is......not standard, varies by wing

please hit me up.

Green - Group CAC
Logged

"Effort" does not equal "results".
wilhelm147
Member

Posts: 86

« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 09:08:43 PM »

I always thought blue was region CAC and yellow, national CAC...
Logged
MIKE
Super Moderator

Posts: 5,370
Unit: LANTAREA

« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2009, 09:15:22 PM »

Quote from: CAPR 52-16
Figure 3-1. Awards & Identification for CAC Primary Representatives.
Appointing Authority CAC Echelon CAC Ribbon Device Shoulder Cord
Regions National Ribbon with gold star Gold
Wings Region Ribbon with silver star Blue
Groups or Squadrons Wing Ribbon with bronze star Red
Squadrons Group Basic ribbon only Green
Logged
Mike Johnston
SarDragon
Resident Philosopher
***
Posts: 8,515
Unit: Gigawatts

« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2009, 09:21:25 PM »

Mos, can we fix the title, please?

Chords are musical in nature, not items of apparel. Those would be cords.
Logged
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret
PHall
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 4,409

« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2009, 09:24:22 PM »

Well, let's see here. A chord is is the mean effective length of an air foil. As far as I know, they don't come in any particular colors.

A shoulder cord is what is worn on the uniform.

Green is worn by Squadron Reps to a Group CAC. (If your wing has groups.)
Red is worn by Squadron Reps to the Wing CAC if your wing does not have groups or by Group Reps to the Wing CAC if your wing does have groups.
Blue is worn by Wing Reps to the Region CAC.
Gold is worn by Region Reps to the National CAC.
Logged
Eclipse
Too Much Free Time Award
***
Posts: 24,223

« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 09:28:57 PM »

I always thought blue was region CAC and yellow, national CAC...

Whoops - that's correct, and as PHall points out, its a gold cord, not yellow, which threw me on the response.

(Wow, post #5700 - I really need to open a window...)
Logged

"Effort" does not equal "results".
DC
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,718

« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 09:40:19 PM »

Green = Group CAC
Red = Wing CAC
Blue = Region CAC
Gold = National CAC
White = NDTC and NCGC Teams, some wings also allow their CGs and DTs to wear the white cords.
Silver = Unit Honor Guard members or NHGA grads
Logged
davedove
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 964
Unit: MER-MD-003

« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 07:40:22 AM »

Other than the few colors that are set in the regs, Wings may also authorize shoulder cords of different colors for different reasons.
Logged
David W. Dove, Maj, CAP
Deputy Commander for Seniors
Personnel/PD/Asst. Testing Officer
Ground Team Leader
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003
BrandonKea
Seasoned Member

Posts: 427

« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 07:56:28 PM »

Other than the few colors that are set in the regs, Wings may also authorize shoulder cords of different colors for different reasons.

Nebraska Wing previously had two cords for cadets with outstanding GPA's. I don't remember the exact colors of the GPA standards, but there's a lurker on here who knows and could probably remind me.
Logged
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP
BuckeyeDEJ
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,019
Unit: OH-236

« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2009, 09:38:50 PM »

Other than the few colors that are set in the regs, Wings may also authorize shoulder cords of different colors for different reasons.

Nebraska Wing previously had two cords for cadets with outstanding GPA's. I don't remember the exact colors of the GPA standards, but there's a lurker on here who knows and could probably remind me.

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?
Logged


CAP since 1984: Lt Col; former C/Lt Col; MO, MRO, MS, IO; former sq CC/CD/PA; group and wing PA, natl cmte mbr, nat'l staff member, back in Ohio now
REAL LIFE: Working journalist in SPG, DTW (News), SRQ, PIT (Trib), 2D1, WVI, W22; editor, desk chief, designer, photog, columnist, reporter, graphics guy, visual editor, but not all at once. Now in marketing.
jimmydeanno
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 4,155
Unit: ǝnƃoɹ

« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2009, 09:41:24 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?
Logged
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill
BuckeyeDEJ
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,019
Unit: OH-236

« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2009, 09:45:34 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.
Logged


CAP since 1984: Lt Col; former C/Lt Col; MO, MRO, MS, IO; former sq CC/CD/PA; group and wing PA, natl cmte mbr, nat'l staff member, back in Ohio now
REAL LIFE: Working journalist in SPG, DTW (News), SRQ, PIT (Trib), 2D1, WVI, W22; editor, desk chief, designer, photog, columnist, reporter, graphics guy, visual editor, but not all at once. Now in marketing.
BrandonKea
Seasoned Member

Posts: 427

« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 11:21:00 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.

The cord for the GPA highlights those with a commitment to getting good grades. "A satisfactory record of academic achievement" is a requirement for being a cadet. Rewarding good grades is just an extension of that requirement. Rather than just asking to meet the standard, NEWG tried to push the cadets to greatness.
Logged
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP
BuckeyeDEJ
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,019
Unit: OH-236

« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 12:01:27 AM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.

The cord for the GPA highlights those with a commitment to getting good grades. "A satisfactory record of academic achievement" is a requirement for being a cadet. Rewarding good grades is just an extension of that requirement. Rather than just asking to meet the standard, NEWG tried to push the cadets to greatness.

"Satisfactory" could be a C average.

Here's the thing. Cords are usually used to identify special assignments or details. Aides wear cords, though they don't call 'em cords. CAC members wear cords. Color guard members and honor guard members wear 'em, too. I could see stretching that to special cadet recognition directly stemming from cadet program participation.

Cords are easy to get out of hand. That's my other caution with them. Next thing you know, it'll be berets, or maybe goofy little patches above the nametag that say "ranger second class." Oh, wait, we have that....
Logged


CAP since 1984: Lt Col; former C/Lt Col; MO, MRO, MS, IO; former sq CC/CD/PA; group and wing PA, natl cmte mbr, nat'l staff member, back in Ohio now
REAL LIFE: Working journalist in SPG, DTW (News), SRQ, PIT (Trib), 2D1, WVI, W22; editor, desk chief, designer, photog, columnist, reporter, graphics guy, visual editor, but not all at once. Now in marketing.
CadetProgramGuy
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 1,355

« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 02:15:00 AM »

We have a Black/Gold Cord for Outstanding Cadet of the Quarter
Logged
BrandonKea
Seasoned Member

Posts: 427

« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 07:34:28 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.

The cord for the GPA highlights those with a commitment to getting good grades. "A satisfactory record of academic achievement" is a requirement for being a cadet. Rewarding good grades is just an extension of that requirement. Rather than just asking to meet the standard, NEWG tried to push the cadets to greatness.

"Satisfactory" could be a C average.


I think a C average would be satisfactory. Someone who has, however, an A average, would be going above the satisfactory mark. Recognizing cadets for being exemplaray seems like a smart idea to me, especially in something as important as good grades.
Logged
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP
davidsinn
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 3,025
Unit: NW-IN

« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 08:10:13 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.

The cord for the GPA highlights those with a commitment to getting good grades. "A satisfactory record of academic achievement" is a requirement for being a cadet. Rewarding good grades is just an extension of that requirement. Rather than just asking to meet the standard, NEWG tried to push the cadets to greatness.

"Satisfactory" could be a C average.


I think a C average would be satisfactory. Someone who has, however, an A average, would be going above the satisfactory mark. Recognizing cadets for being exemplaray seems like a smart idea to me, especially in something as important as good grades.

So if you only did your work at your job at only a 70% level your boss would consider that satisfactory?
Logged
Former CAP Captain
David Sinn
BrandonKea
Seasoned Member

Posts: 427

« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 08:35:32 PM »

Do they have cords for perfect attendance, too?

Why you hatin'?

Our unit has a cord (yes, it is authorized by the wing king) which is yellow and blue.  It signifies our cadets of the quarter.  So at any given time, 4 of our cadets are wearing one.  Is that to foo foo too?

Nope, no disdain here for cords, as long as they're authorized with some restraint, as long as they make sense to the organization, and as long as the recognition is cord-worthy, versus ribbon-worthy.

Wearing a cord for a good GPA would be as relevant to CAP as wearing a cord for service on a volunteer fire department. A cord for a cadet of the quarter is just fine, though four of them wearing the same cord might be a little confusing.

The cord for the GPA highlights those with a commitment to getting good grades. "A satisfactory record of academic achievement" is a requirement for being a cadet. Rewarding good grades is just an extension of that requirement. Rather than just asking to meet the standard, NEWG tried to push the cadets to greatness.

"Satisfactory" could be a C average.


I think a C average would be satisfactory. Someone who has, however, an A average, would be going above the satisfactory mark. Recognizing cadets for being exemplaray seems like a smart idea to me, especially in something as important as good grades.

So if you only did your work at your job at only a 70% level your boss would consider that satisfactory?

Apples and Oranges. 70% in school is a passing grade. 70% for an Air Ambulance would probably not be.
Logged
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP
alamrcn
Salty & Seasoned Contributor

Posts: 639
Unit: MN-104

Civil Air Patrol Patches
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2009, 11:35:55 AM »

Other than the fix for Cadet Officers wearing the "bus driver" hat, shoulder cords are the #1 item in wing-level suppliments to 39-1.

Here are a bunch of them...
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/library.html#Regulations and Manuals

If you have a suppliment that isn't there, let me know!
Logged

 

Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
Ground Pounder & History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota
Pages: [1] 2  All Print 
CAP Talk  |  General Discussion  |  Uniforms & Awards  |  Topic: Shoulder Chords
 


Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP SMF 2.0.8 | SMF © 2014, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.532 seconds with 25 queries.
click here to email me