Started by James Shaw, May 24, 2006, 04:45:25 PM
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Quote from: drcomm on May 26, 2006, 10:47:54 PMDo you have a list of the different locations National Headquarters has been located and the dates at each from beginning to present? As a cadet, I was a member of the Ellington Composite Squadron, TX-098, in Houston, TX and knew that National was there for a time. I have an old Leadership Laboratory Manual with "Ellington A.F.B." listed as the National HQ. Thanks for the service you are providing here!
Quote from: Eclipse on May 27, 2006, 01:55:37 AMHow can we substantiate my unit's initial charter?We have photos back to 1942, but NHQ can only substantiate back to 1970.GLR-IL-049.Thanks!
Quote from: AlphaSigOU on May 27, 2006, 08:39:50 AMQuote from: Eclipse on May 27, 2006, 01:55:37 AMHow can we substantiate my unit's initial charter?We have photos back to 1942, but NHQ can only substantiate back to 1970.GLR-IL-049.Thanks!Good question. I'm thinking the charter numbers date back from 1970 or so. At first, they were numerical in alphabetical order, i.e. 08 - Florida, 09 - Georgia, 42 - Texas. Puerto Rico's was 52. Later, they adopted the current state-abbreviation charter number.
Quote from: flyguy06 on June 13, 2006, 03:54:39 AMWow. I gues nobody knows the answer to my question.
Quote from: shorning on June 13, 2006, 08:25:55 PMQuote from: flyguy06 on June 13, 2006, 03:54:39 AMWow. I gues nobody knows the answer to my question. Not so much. I thought all CAP members were blue...
Quote from: flyguy06 on June 16, 2006, 01:24:12 PMNo, I am not blue
Quote from: Hammer on June 16, 2006, 07:08:16 PMCan you post pictures of old CAP Uniforms? That's what I'm interested in seeing. Also, how many former CAP NAT/CC's were current or former Military when they were the CAP NAT/CC?
Quote from: caphistorian on May 24, 2006, 04:45:25 PMMy name is Jim Shaw and I am the CAP Assistant National Historian and the Southeast Region Historian. I am trying to find new ways to share out history with those interested. I am willing to answer questions as best as I can and as accurate as possible. I look forward to sharing with everyone willing to listen or read.
Quote from: lasupplyguy on June 17, 2006, 08:13:30 PMQuote from: caphistorian on May 24, 2006, 04:45:25 PMMy name is Jim Shaw and I am the CAP Assistant National Historian and the Southeast Region Historian. I am trying to find new ways to share out history with those interested. I am willing to answer questions as best as I can and as accurate as possible. I look forward to sharing with everyone willing to listen or read. Jim,With the National D-Day museum's name (and focus) change to the National World War II museum, what are your ideas on giving/loaning them CAP WWII uniforms, rank, pictures, etc. for display? This would be a great showcase for our history and contributions.
Quote from: bosshawk on November 06, 2006, 05:08:46 AMRe: the question about active duty AF officers ... [snip] ... My memory seems to say that he served as CAP CC as his retirement assignment.
Quote from: BillB on November 06, 2006, 03:36:36 AMDuring the period you ask about CAP was under the Army Air Force after being transferred from the Office of Civilian Defense. CAP flew the anti submarine patrol in uniform. The original CAP shoulder patch did not contain the letters U.S. they were added so that if captured they would be treated as prisioner of war. Operating under the control of the Army Air Force, CAP were not considered as civilians even though the CAP command structure except for the National Commander and small military staff were all civilians. Operating under military orders no letter of marque (which only applies to non-military ships)was needed
Quote from: caphistorian on June 16, 2006, 05:53:57 PMQuote from: flyguy06 on June 13, 2006, 03:54:39 AMWow. I gues nobody knows the answer to my question. I do not have access to any of my older CAP information. I will be moving into a new the middle part of July. Until then I will have to rely on memroy for questions. I will not ignore the questions It will just take a while to answer them correctly and accurately.
Quote from: flyguy06 on May 17, 2007, 11:45:53 PMQuote from: caphistorian on June 16, 2006, 05:53:57 PMQuote from: flyguy06 on June 13, 2006, 03:54:39 AMWow. I gues nobody knows the answer to my question. I do not have access to any of my older CAP information. I will be moving into a new the middle part of July. Until then I will have to rely on memroy for questions. I will not ignore the questions It will just take a while to answer them correctly and accurately. Wow. Its been almost a year and I still havent gotten that answer yet.
Quote from: alexalvarez on May 18, 2007, 10:40:23 PMI have lived through history. (Earth forming, large animals roaming the earth, etc).
Quote from: shorning on May 19, 2007, 12:00:38 AMQuote from: alexalvarez on May 18, 2007, 10:40:23 PMI have lived through history. (Earth forming, large animals roaming the earth, etc).
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on May 19, 2007, 01:49:16 PMQuote from: shorning on May 19, 2007, 12:00:38 AMQuote from: alexalvarez on May 18, 2007, 10:40:23 PMI have lived through history. (Earth forming, large animals roaming the earth, etc).... Clubbing women and dragging them back to the cave... I miss the old days!
Quote from: flyguy06 on May 21, 2007, 03:16:39 PMWhen I was in Iraq in 2006, I visited this airbase and the main unit was the 332nd Air Expiditionary Wing. A direct descendant unit from the Tuskegee Airmen, There that means the Tuskegee Airman unit is still an active duty unit today. I thought that was very interesting. And the unit recognizes it and traces their lineage to the Tuskegee Airmen. In fact a few months before I got there, two original Tuskegee Airmen has visited the unit (Why these old men would want to go to Iraq is beyond my understanding though)
Quote from: SKYKING607 on May 22, 2007, 05:22:21 PMAny further information on the locations of the U-Boat sinkings credited to CAP aircraft? In all the U-Boat web-sites, there is no mention of any loses to CAP aircraft. Ideas? U-Boat number?
Quote from: http://level2.cap.gov/documents/u_082503081737.pdfIt was one of these larger planes armed with depth charges that made the first CAP "kill." Captain Johnny Haggins and Major Wynant Farr, flying out of Atlantic City, New Jersey, had just become airborne in a Grumman Widgeon (an amphibian, a plane that can land on land or water) when they received a message from another CAP patrol that "contact" had been made about 25 miles off the coast.The other patrol was low on fuel and was being forced to return to base, so Haggins and Farr sped to the area, while flying a scant 300 feet above the ocean. When the Haggins-Farr patrol reached the area, no sub was in sight. Very shortly thereafter however, Major Farr spotted the U-boat as it cruised beneath the surface of the waves. After radioing toshore, and knowing that they could not accurately estimate the depth of the sub, the crew decided to follow the sub until (they hoped) it rose to periscope depth, when they would have a better chance of hitting the sub with their depth charges.For over three hours they shadowed the U-boat and eventually ran low on fuel. Just before they had to turn back, the U-boat rose back up to periscope depth. Captain Haggins swung the plane around quickly and aligned it with the sub. He then began a gentle dive to 100 feet where he leveled off behind the sub's periscope wake. Major Farr pulled the cable release and the first depth charge plummeted into the water just off the sub's bow. Seconds later a large water and oil geyser erupted, the explosion literally blowing the sub's forward portion out of the water. Shock waves from the blast rocked the patrol plane.As the sub sank below the surface, it left a huge oil slick as the target for the second run.On the second run, the remaining depth charge was dropped squarely in the middle of the oil slick.After the second geyser had settled, pieces of debris began to float to the surface. The CAP Coastal Patrol's first kill was confirmed!
Quote from: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/cap.htmIt had reported 173 U-boats sighted, sunk two, and had dropped a total of 83 bombs and depth charges upon 57 of these – with several other "probables." It's aircrews flew 86,865 missions over coastal waters for a total of 244,600 hours – which approximates to 24 million miles. The patrols summoned help for 91 ships in distress and for 363 survivors of submarine attacks. It sighted and reported 17 floating mines, and, at the request of the US Navy, flew 5,684 special convoy missions. Although the victory against the submarine was a joint operation of the Army, Navy, Coast Guard, and the CAP, it is a fact that the U-boats disappeared in direct proportion to the spread of CAP operations.
Quote from: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/CAP/AP32.htmBy 1943, Civil Air Patrol coastal patrols had flown 244,600 hours totaling 24 million miles (38.6 million kilometers), summoning help for 91 ships in distress and aiding in the rescue of 363 survivors of submarine attacks. CAP patrols spotted 173 enemy submarines, attacking 57 with bombs or depth charges, damaging 10 and sinking 2. In recognition of its effectiveness, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued an Executive Order on April 29, 1943, establishing the Civil Air Patrol as the auxiliary of the U.S. Army Air Forces. At the time of its transfer to the AAF, the Civil Air Patrol ranks had swelled to more than 75,000 volunteers.
Quote from: http://www.bookrags.com/Civil_Air_PatrolThe CAP's first kill was claimed with one of the larger aircraft. The Grumman G-44 Widgeon, armed with two depth charges and crewed by Captain Johnny Haggins and Major Wynant Farr, was scrambled when another CAP patrol radioed that they had encountered an enemy submarine but were returning to base (due to low fuel). After scanning the area, Farr spotted the U-boat cruising beneath the surface of the waves. Unable to accurately determine the depth of the vessel, Haggins and Ferr radioed the situation back to base and followed the enemy in hopes that it would rise to periscope depth. For three hours, the crew shadowed the submarine, but it didn't rise. Just as Haggins was about to return to base, the U-boat rose to periscope depth, and Haggins swung the aircraft around and aligned with the submarine and dove to 100 feet (30 m). Farr released one of the two depth charges, literally blowing the submarine's front out of the water. As it left an oil slick, Farr released the second charge and debris appeared on the surface, confirming the U-boat's demise and the Civil Air Patrol's first kill.The kill was perhaps the crowning achievement for CAP's Coastal Patrol, which continued to operate for about 18 months (from March 5, 1942 to August 31, 1943) before being officially retired. In this timeframe, the Coastal Patrol reported 173 U-boats, 57 of which were attacked by CAP aircraft with 83 ordnance pieces, and two of which were confirmed sunk. For a group of volunteer civilians, this is without a doubt a monumental achievement. In addition, the Coastal Patrol flew 86,865 missions, logging over 244,600 hours. Coastal Patrol aircraft reported 91 ships in distress and played a key role in rescuing 363 survivors of U-boat attacks. 117 floating mines were reported and 5,684 convoy missions were flown for the Navy.
Quote from: http://www.amazon.com/Maine-Mexico-Americas-Private-Against/dp/0964474018/ref=sr_1_1/002-1524621-4823222?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179857516&sr=1-1Keefer, Louis E., From Maine to Mexico: With America's Private Pilots in the Fight against Nazi U-Boats. Reston, Va.: COTU Publishing, 1997
Quote from: http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Minute-Men-story-Patrol/dp/B0007HH1US/ref=sr_1_1/002-1524621-4823222?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179857568&sr=1-1Neprud, Robert E., Flying Minute Men: The Story of the Civil Air Patrol. New York: Duell, Sloan & Pearce, 1948
Quote from: JohnKachenmeister on May 21, 2007, 04:25:29 PMPerhaps I can help you with that understanding.
Quote from: BillB on May 26, 2006, 11:51:11 PMThe original CAP HQ was in the Office of Civilian Defense on Park Ave.in New York City. It moved from there to Bolling AFB, then to Ellengton, and finally to Maxwell.
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