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The Best of Squadron Patches

Started by Pylon, January 09, 2006, 08:41:09 pm

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jb512

Quote from: RiverAux on May 11, 2008, 03:41:29 pm
The Olive Branch patch looks very nice.  However, the separate upper and lower rockers just look a little odd to me.  Could you have got the motto in English if you wrapped it all the way around the patch rather than trying for just a rocker?


Circles with arcs on top and bottom are traditional heraldic shapes for squadron patches.

MIKE

Quote from: PHall on May 12, 2008, 02:20:27 am
I think the only guideline for the arcs is that if you have an upper and lower one they should be of equal length.


There is a max on the degree of each arch and the number of characters and spaces that will fit also, IIRC.


Mike Johnston

RiverAux

I don't know of any rules on the size of the rockers, but they just seem too big to be stand-alone.  The other examples shown look much better to me.  Just a personal preference.

ddelaney103

Quote from: RiverAux on May 12, 2008, 03:20:53 am
I don't know of any rules on the size of the rockers, but they just seem too big to be stand-alone.  The other examples shown look much better to me.  Just a personal preference.


AF guidelines allow rockers of 90, 120 or 150 degrees of arc.  They have to be the same top and bottom.

alamrcn

May 12, 2008, 03:37:09 pm #384 Last Edit: May 12, 2008, 03:49:45 pm by alamrcn
Quote from: ddelaney103 on May 12, 2008, 01:57:28 pm
AF guidelines allow rockers of 90, 120 or 150 degrees of arc.  They have to be the same top and bottom.


If anyone knows of any USAF resources for guidelines like above (other than the AFI84-105, what is mostly cited here), please pass a link along if available. Sometimes there are Army based heraldry references that all services use rather than recreate their own - however I have none saved that I can point out.

I'm feeling the need for a "How the AF does it..." section of the Patch Creation page (http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/creation.html) on the CAP Patches website. This only because of the progressive trend of CAP units attepmting to follow thier protocals, and not having a sufficient official resource.

BTW, the "Institute of Herladry" will help design an emblem or insignia for CAP, but at a STARTING cost of $225 - just for  researching and layout of the design! I also could try to convince the owner of USAFPatches.com to attempt creating such a resource, as I'm sure active duty units probably frequent his site for ideas and dirrection.

-Ace


Have fun with it!




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
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71st Wing, Minnesota

Shotgun

Quote from: Eclipse on May 11, 2008, 04:25:56 pm
Quote from: RiverAux on May 11, 2008, 03:41:29 pm
The Olive Branch patch looks very nice.  However, the separate upper and lower rockers just look a little odd to me.  Could you have got the motto in English if you wrapped it all the way around the patch rather than trying for just a rocker?


Odd?  How?

They are the way they are supposed to be - its not supposed to be a closed circle.


That is an interesting option and we did in fact look at that possibility. However in the end we decided to stick with the guidelines for the shape of the squadron patch. The rules for the shape of the patch and the length and position of the rockers are spelled out pretty clearly. The use of english for the motto seems to be a preference.   


PhoenixRisen

Here's the new design for my up and coming squadron at my high school.  (We're simply waiting on the charter from National).  Props to Major Bob Williams for the design!


sarflyer

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Yes, very nice. Props to you and the Major!

Gunner C

Quote from: PhoenixCadet on May 16, 2008, 04:40:02 am
Here's the new design for my up and coming squadron at my high school.  (We're simply waiting on the charter from National).  Props to Major Bob Williams for the design!



Now THAT is a good looking patch!  :clap:


  • It is a disk, not a shield (not appropriate for echelons lower than group)

  • It has the correct colors

  • It tells a story - it says who you are

  • It's not full of silly drawings (not saying that cartoons are bad but landscapes with little airplanes look unprofessional IMO)



Wear it with pride.

MIKE



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PhoenixRisen

Quote from: MIKE on May 17, 2008, 02:34:08 pm
The arcs are flipped.  Motto goes on the top. http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/heraldry/chapter_two.html


I realized that after I forwarded this to my unit commander, to forward it for approval.  This version's already being used... :(

alamrcn

May 20, 2008, 06:04:12 pm #393 Last Edit: May 20, 2008, 06:13:41 pm by alamrcn
<RING><RING> "Hello?"
"It's the AETC, they would like to speak with you."

Just kidding, man. It looks sharp, and you say they HAVE been manufactured?

Care to throw us thred pickers here a bone with the oportunity to purchase one of your fine squadron patches? The faster you can get rid of them, the closer you'll be to ordering more with the tabs flipped -- should your unit care to make the change.

Thanks for the peek! Also, please do post any historical information you may have on the patch here.

-Ace



Quote from: Gunner C on May 17, 2008, 02:06:48 pm
  • It has the correct colors

The "Air Force yellow" is usually on the emblem's edge, but not sure if there is precidence for that or not. Same deal as "Air Force (ultramarine) blue" usually being the disk's field, which this patch has.




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

PhoenixRisen

Quote from: alamrcn on May 20, 2008, 06:04:12 pm
<RING><RING> "Hello?"
"It's the AETC, they would like to speak with you."

Just kidding, man. It looks sharp, and you say they HAVE been manufactured?

Care to throw us thred pickers here a bone with the oportunity to purchase one of your fine squadron patches? The faster you can get rid of them, the closer you'll be to ordering more with the tabs flipped -- should your unit care to make the change.

Thanks for the peek! Also, please do post any historical information you may have on the patch here.

-Ace



Sir,

They actually haven't been manufactured yet.  I'm waiting untill our squadron is officially chartered to do that.  What I meant by "already being used" is that this is now what's on file with the Group and Wing.  I know the squadron is still in the planning stages - but we're too busy with administrative-type stuff (other than Sq Patches) to change this now. 

I'll definitely take up the suggestion and talk to my commander about changing it in the future.

alamrcn

Quote from: PhoenixCadet on May 20, 2008, 06:11:30 pm
I'll definitely take up the suggestion and talk to my commander about changing it in the future.


Don't swet it, AFI 84-105 is only a helpful suggestion where Civil Air Patrol emblems are concerned. We also don't have to register them with the Air Force Historical Research Agency (AFHRA). But DO send a finished patch to the National CAP Archives Curator, per CAPR 39-1.

-Ace




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
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71st Wing, Minnesota

Hoser

May 20, 2008, 07:50:20 pm #396 Last Edit: May 20, 2008, 07:53:54 pm by MIKE
For what it's worth, thought I'd post mine



Fixed image - MIKE

Shotgun

I just wanted to follow up on my previous post regarding the Olive Branch Composite Squadron's new patch.  After a long and drawn out 6 month process the patches are finally in!



Over all I'm pretty pleased. We placed our order from Patches4less.com and had them in our eager little hands within 10 days. The cost was such that we have 100 patches we can provide to our members  (or anyone else who may be interested) for $2.50 each and even make a couple of pennies on the deal.

If there are any collectors out there that are interested in adding one or two to their collection, shoot me a PM or contact me through the our Squadron's website. (http://www.olivebranchcap.org)

On a related note, I've created a squadron patch template that anyone can download and use to make their own patch. It's an Adobe Illustrator file containing seperate layers for the background, rocker texts, and center logo area. I'm working on creating a layered .psd file for photoshop users but am having problems with the text paths converting. The template can be downloaded from our website at http://www.olivebranchcap.org  Click on DOWNLOADS from the top menu and navigate to Media / Graphics and Images / Squadron Patch Template.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread. It was a great help for us in the creation of our patch.  I hope the template will return the favor.



PhoenixRisen

Quote from: alamrcn on May 20, 2008, 06:26:22 pmBut DO send a finished patch to the National CAP Archives Curator, per CAPR 39-1.


Got it.  Thanks for bringing that to my attention, sir.

Pylon

Our squadron patch project has finally been completed.  Below is a snapshot of the finished patch.  It was approved by the Wing Commander in April, produced and subsequently unveiled at our squadron's annual awards banquet on 31 May.   

The stitched patch:


The emblem (created as a vector image in Illustrator):


The motto, "Ad Proficiendum Civitatem" is Latin roughly meaning to serve the citizens/community. The emblem's significance/heraldry is also available here.

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Michael F. Kieloch, Maj, CAP