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alamrcn
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« Reply #240 on: May 29, 2007, 11:49:26 AM »

The somewhat indistinguishable character on the former Minnesota Wing patch was affectionatly referred to as...

The Samouri Cow!

And oops, Maj Nelson "Lee" Ragan referred to it in his 1986 insignia catalog as a Minnesota Viking. Actually, it is a Gremlin that was characterized by Walt Disney. The current shoulder patch perfected the original concept.

There is a WWII CAP Sub Chaser patch with a winged-bull on it. I can come up with a scan of the artwork later, if someone here doesn't have one at the ready now.

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« Reply #241 on: May 29, 2007, 01:22:23 PM »

^^  Why did you guys up there change that wing patch??
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« Reply #242 on: May 29, 2007, 04:33:32 PM »



WOAH!!!  The "Samurai  Cow" on the Minnesota Wing patch looks reeeallly creepy!  It reminds me of a character I saw on a panel at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?  I wasn't able to upload a picture of it, unfortunately.     

It's been said that if you look at this panel, and find something evil in it, then you are a Christian. 

Could it be that the "Samurai Cow" and the character in the Panel at the Dome of the Rock are the same character?  I'll leave you to figure out what the character resembles.     
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« Reply #243 on: June 05, 2007, 11:58:37 AM »

^^  Why did you guys up there change that wing patch??

Because it was wrong.... er, incorrect. No one knows for sure why the Gremlin's image was so distorted from the original artwork. The easiest blame falls on:
1) whomever submitted their own revision of Disney's original artwork for the first patch embroidery, or most likely...
2) the first production of patches was made of such low quality, and every reorder after just continued to use a copy of the last batch. See, you should never go with the lowest bidder!

Here's the oldest MN Wing patch I have...

You can see the original Disney character, AND how the later used distorted version came about.

It is known, that copies of the patch were made and worn prior to National HQ's authorization of the patch in 1952. The character's design actually dates back almost 10 years (1943) earlier from an abandoned Walt Disney Pictures project entitled "The Gremlins" - only a supporting children's book and some dolls were put out, the two movie scripts were scrapped.



It's unknown when Minnesota Wing got the nod to use the character, but probably not long after WWII ended in 1945. Disney made hundreds of Military insignia, and several Civil Air Patrol emblems for all levels of the organization. The WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) logo using a female gremlin (called a fifinella) was from the same story.

I plan on [cough]procrastination[/cough] putting together a detailed summery of the patch's history on the CAP Patches website soon.

- Ace
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« Reply #244 on: June 05, 2007, 12:01:57 PM »

WOAH!!!  The "Samurai  Cow" on the Minnesota Wing patch looks reeeallly creepy!  It reminds me of a character I saw on a panel at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?  I wasn't able to upload a picture of it, unfortunately.   It's been said that if you look at this panel, and find something evil in it, then you are a Christian.  Could it be that the "Samurai Cow" and the character in the Panel at the Dome of the Rock are the same character?  I'll leave you to figure out what the character resembles.

PLEASE send me a link to a pic of that! I about Googled myself silly trying to find one...

-Ace
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« Reply #245 on: June 05, 2007, 12:04:09 PM »

^^  Why did you guys up there change that wing patch??

Because it was wrong.... er, incorrect. No one knows for sure why the Gremlin's image was so distorted from the original artwork. The easiest blame falls on:
1) whomever submitted their own revision of Disney's original artwork for the first patch embroidery, or most likely...
2) the first production of patches was made of such low quality, and every reorder after just continued to use a copy of the last batch. See, you should never go with the lowest bidder!

Here's the oldest MN Wing patch I have...

You can see the original Disney character, AND how the later used distorted version came about.

It is known, that copies of the patch were made and worn prior to National HQ's authorization of the patch in 1952. The character's design actually dates back almost 10 years (1943) and an abandoned Walt Disney Pictures project entitled "The Gremlins" - only a supporting children's book and some dolls were put out, the two movie scripts were scrapped.



It's unknown when Minnesota Wing got the nod to use the character, but probably not long after WWII ended in 1945. Disney made hundreds of Military insignia, and several Civil Air Patrol emblems for all levels of the organization. The WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) logo using a female gremlin (called a fifinella) was from the same story.

I plan on [cough]procrastination[/cough] putting together a detailed summery of the patch's history on the CAP Patches website soon.

- Ace

The character on the patch looks like an angry moth. LOL
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« Reply #246 on: June 05, 2007, 12:18:03 PM »

The character on the patch looks like an angry moth. LOL

THAT is funny!
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« Reply #247 on: June 05, 2007, 07:01:23 PM »

2) the first production of patches was made of such low quality, and every reorder after just continued to use a copy of the last batch. See, you should never go with the lowest bidder!



This is my old squadron patch. That's supposed to be an eagle (the bird) and an Eagle (the F-15).  Instead it looks like a crappy vulture and an F-14 with a hydraulic failure.

An example of the loss of the original artwork and subsequent runs being made from the previous run's patch..

Gak!



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« Reply #248 on: June 05, 2007, 09:49:44 PM »

I like Mothra!...Oh rook....godzirra!!!
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« Reply #249 on: June 05, 2007, 10:38:47 PM »



Looks like one of the goomba characters from the Super Mario Bros game. 
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« Reply #250 on: June 05, 2007, 11:56:43 PM »

The WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) logo using a female gremlin (called a fifinella) was from the same story.
Ahem...that was a HUGE hint...guess everyone's asleep out there...
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« Reply #251 on: June 06, 2007, 04:32:25 AM »

The WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) logo using a female gremlin (called a fifinella) was from the same story.
Ahem...that was a HUGE hint...guess everyone's asleep out there...

Wasn't asleep. This is just my first opportunity to mention it. I do believe, though, that you have mentioned your gender in one or more prior posts.

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« Reply #252 on: June 06, 2007, 10:09:34 AM »

2) the first production of patches was made of such low quality, and every reorder after just continued to use a copy of the last batch. See, you should never go with the lowest bidder!
This is my old squadron patch. That's supposed to be an eagle (the bird) and an Eagle (the F-15).  Instead it looks like a crappy vulture and an F-14 with a hydraulic failure.

An example of the loss of the original artwork and subsequent runs being made from the previous run's patch..

Gak!

NIN; funny you bring up our old unit patch...I was talking in PM with Ace about it and was able to get the patch history via the Alumni group.

This is the e-mail I had gotten describing it:

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From: John DiGiantomasso [mailto:JohnD@xxxxxx.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:19 AM
To: xxxxxx@comcast.net; xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Subject: South Macomb 3-2 Patch History

Greetings...

John DiGiantomasso here.  And Tim Vander Molen is correct. I designed the
South Macomb 3-2 patch.   (I don't have Tim's e-mail; please forward this to
him.)

At the time I did the patch, 1977 or 1978, South Macomb was a powerhouse
Cadet Squadron.  We had just received our third straight Unit Citation award
and had been named the National Squadron of Distinction, beating out two
other squadrons in our same Group who came in 2nd and 3rd place nationally.
At the time it was the first time that the top three squadrons nationally
were in the same wing, let alone the same group.

As such, we were somewhat considered rivals and were treated as outcasts
(not too bad, more friendly than anything) but we didn't have a squadron
patch.  So I designed one with the front view of an F4U Corsair on it and
the text "BLACK SHEEP" on the patch.  I painted one and put it on the
plexiglass of the squadron's vending machine.  The TV Show "Black Sheep
Squadron" was very popular at the time.  Wing or Group Headquarters (I don't
know which) said "We don't like the idea of a Squadron Patch with a Navy
Plane on it.  Why not make one with an Air Force plane?"

About that time I was looking at a magazine and there was a
McDonnell-Douglas advertisement with a picture of the brand-new F-15 Eagle
in front of the jet more or less as you see it on the patch.  I took that
image, reversed it left to right, and added a CAP triangle and fit it to the
patch shape and now I had an Air Force plane on our squadron patch.  We had
a contest of submissions and my design won in the balloting.  That patch was
approved by headquarters and somebody had them made up as the official
Squadron 3-2 Patch.

Ironically, 30 years later I am now the Deputy Commander for Cadets at a
squadron in California whose nickname is the "SKYHAWKS" - a Navy Plane...

I hope that helps.

-- John D. --

Even as a cadet I never knew the history... so that was a fun bit of information to learn.
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« Reply #253 on: June 06, 2007, 10:24:18 AM »

Interesting note: there was an Air Force squadron at Holloman AFB, NM called the "Black Sheep Squadron" which flew F-15s.    I believe they're an F-117 squadron now.

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« Reply #254 on: June 06, 2007, 02:43:25 PM »

NIN; funny you bring up our old unit patch...I was talking in PM with Ace about it and was able to get the patch history via the Alumni group.
Even as a cadet I never knew the history... so that was a fun bit of information to learn.

I've still got to get the history up on the web - been way behind on my authoring with a new baby in the hizzle... but it'll get there! Maybe this weekend, who knows.

Darrin, I might have gotten my South Macomb patches from you - I couldn't remember, but your Vulture/F-14 comment is something I remember... unless everyone in the squadron had the same idea. This would have been 10 or more years ago that I obtained them.

-Ace
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« Reply #255 on: June 06, 2007, 06:31:00 PM »

The WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) logo using a female gremlin (called a fifinella) was from the same story.
Ahem...that was a HUGE hint...guess everyone's asleep out there...
Wasn't asleep. This is just my first opportunity to mention it.
Well, I actually meant the fifinella post answered the "why did you pick that user name" question in a different, earlier thread.  But thanks for noticing.  :-*
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« Reply #256 on: June 06, 2007, 08:00:06 PM »

OK, half asleep. Musta missed the other post.
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« Reply #257 on: June 07, 2007, 09:04:39 PM »

There is a unit in Iowa that has the VMF-214 Patch in their Squadron Patch.  There was a 214 member that gave NCR-IA-041 permission to use it.  So it would have already been used.
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« Reply #258 on: June 07, 2007, 11:28:51 PM »

There is a unit in Iowa that has the VMF-214 Patch in their Squadron Patch.  There was a 214 member that gave NCR-IA-041 permission to use it.  So it would have already been used.

Ditto with Mesquite (Texas) Black Sheep Composite Sqdn (SWR-TX-214). I believe one of the original members was one of Pappy's Black Sheep.
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« Reply #259 on: June 08, 2007, 12:27:58 PM »

Ditto with Mesquite (Texas) Black Sheep Composite Sqdn (SWR-TX-214). I believe one of the original members was one of Pappy's Black Sheep.

Here is their patch...


And another from Colorado Wing...


And Arizona Wing...


And California Wing...

I actually have the history for this patch -
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/CA/ca371.html

There are several "Black Sheep" Squadrons in CAP - popular TV show, heh! Actually, a old member of my first unit said they used to have meetings on Wednesday nights (or was it Monday), but changed to Thursdays so as not to miss the show! They still meet on Thursday nights to this day.

- Ace
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