^Sadly, there are those that would prefer nothing "military-esque" in CAP. However our organizations history and mere operating method dictates we use some of the military establishments methods and ways.
What I'm saying is that most members don't want to dump everything military related, some just might want to find a less delicate balance between the military and non military.For the record, I'm for the militaryish side.
Can someone explain to me how some of you really hard corp military guys can get off saying "I take it you want to get rid of all things military in CAP?"There's such thing as balance and compromise, and frankly, that line of bull is pathetic and insulting towards the bulk of CAP members.
Or we could just use the existing CAP embroirdered grade insignia on dark blue.
Quote from: arajca on March 10, 2008, 03:24:52 AMOr we could just use the existing CAP embroirdered grade insignia on dark blue.And change all the other insignia to dark blue, too. I don't like the ultramarine blue; I think it is woefully out of date, just like the plastic encased rank insignia.
So back to getting rid of the plastic encased grade insignia. We could always use Navy rank insignia for flight suits. Full color grade insignia on OD, added bonus the edges are already finished
afgeo4Got to admit you put a bullet in me with the USCG one. Score 10 points on that one as I never would have thought of that and we have 2 USCG stations within 50 miles of us. I guess that is pretty valid. However being around the CAP for a short while (my first Form 5 check ride was Sept 1975) one thing I did learn is if you intend to move up and do certain jobs, and I will be honest I do wish to do certain things in the CAP that include upward mobility you will never do it as a TSgt. That is just reality. Staying a MP it is fine however today we have some very unique missions and a whole new structure in the NIMS and ICS world and in my Civilian job am very involved in that world. So I am guilty of wanting to now participate at a higher level. I was in the Army as a Spec 4 and the USAF as a Tsgt and they were great ranks to be but in the CAP it just does not work the same.However your point is well taken and respected.As for Vanguard well yes they are having a great bit of difficulty to say the least finding a supplier. They have not had Captain bars for a very long long time and don't think they will anytime soon.
[In my experience, new members who are not military or former cadets of some kind very rarely wear anything other than a polo and/or a flight suit. Some who deal directly with cadets will wear the white/grays. Every one of us in our squadron who are former cadets almost always wear AF uniforms.
Maybe it is because they feel comfortable with easy to maintain uniforms like the polo shirt or flight suit?
As for rank, the plastic encased items are cumbersome and, at least in South Texas, expensive to have put on (like 30 dollars) due to its unusual nature.
I believe it is time to retire or "optionalize" that rank infavor of a more modern option.
No, I think that CAP should just get rid of them altogether. They are out of date, cumbersome, and expensive.
Quote from: Short Field on March 10, 2008, 04:19:20 AMMaybe it is because they feel comfortable with easy to maintain uniforms like the polo shirt or flight suit? Bit of a "cop out" wouldn't you say. Not exactally excellence in all we do.But seriously, what we need to fight is the "sliding line." That "path of least resistance" that pushes us into an unprofessional appearance. By this I mean, if they say "Polo shirts can be worn with grey slacks" we see people in a faded polo and ratty jeans...sometimes grey...sometimes so old that they shine. That is unprofessional.As for rank, the plastic encased items are cumbersome and, at least in South Texas, expensive to have put on (like 30 dollars) due to its unusual nature. I believe it is time to retire or "optionalize" that rank infavor of a more modern option.
By this I mean, if they say "Polo shirts can be worn with grey slacks" we see people in a faded polo and ratty jeans...sometimes grey...sometimes so old that they shine. That is unprofessional. As for rank, the plastic encased items are cumbersome and, at least in South Texas, expensive to have put on (like 30 dollars) due to its unusual nature. I believe it is time to retire or "optionalize" that rank infavor of a more modern option.
The plastic encased rank cost me the same to get sewed on as the other sew-on rank - about two dollars a uniform. Thirty bucks is really ripping you off!
I'm a bit late...but to CCSE....I sir, salute you.Your eloquent comments on the corporate & military differences was well thought out and conveyed. Thank you for your comment that was respectful and reasoned.I just wish I would have thought of it.