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fireplug
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2008, 11:24:25 PM »

I believe the answer is that the new ID numbers were issued alphabetically by rank and region at the time of conversion. I never did change to SSN and went from my old CAPID, 10040961, to 106***. I was a LtCol at that time, in CA wing.
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2008, 11:53:06 PM »

I believe the answer is that the new ID numbers were issued alphabetically by rank and region at the time of conversion. I never did change to SSN and went from my old CAPID, 10040961, to 106***. I was a LtCol at that time, in CA wing.

OK, what's your fourth digit? My number is 1069**, and I was a Capt in CAWG at the time. I still can't buy that one though, because the guy just after me was in NJ at the time, and his last name starts with 'S'.

Also, 100101 is a Major, and ranks between your LtCol and my Capt at the time. I have an olde CAWG list, and the rank sequence is all out of order.

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Just found a new resource, and the SSN order might be the method. There are a few discrepancies, but there's a pretty good sequential correlation.
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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2008, 10:54:53 PM »

I've never gotten too exercised over the whole CAP ID vs CAC-type ID but here is some food for thought regarding a more appropriate type of ID. This is an email from our local wing administrator regarding access to a certain reserve base;

All,

Please be aware that a new policy is in effect for members of CAP to enter the base.  If you plan to come to the headquarters to visit, drop off paperwork, or go to the clothing sales store, you must notify me at least 48 hours before your intended visit.  Once I have been notified, I will make a list to send through the State Director’s office to the Base Security.  Upon entry to the base, you must show your CAP membership card and driver’s license and the list will be checked to verify you are on it.

We must follow this procedure from now on or until the base tells us different.  Please be as cooperative as possible when you come to the base for any reason.  We do not want to jeopardize our being on the base.  If for some reason, you can not come on base, pull into the visitor’s parking lot and call the headquarters, if during duty hours, and I will see what I can do to help you.

It is best to call me at least 48 hours in advance so that we can follow the procedures Base Security has outlined for us.

The new rule is that no one comes on base unless they have a military ID card.

Thank you for following the procedures outlined above.



It was less hassle getting on base in the aftermath of 9/11.
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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2008, 11:09:19 PM »

^ Thats crap.  I wonder if your Wing Administrator gets a military ID card, or a base ID card to get on everday.

May I ask, what base this is?
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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2008, 11:56:39 PM »

Please be aware that a new policy is in effect for members of CAP to enter the base...

My guard unit is on a JRB, there is a CAP unit there (not mine), and that is roughly the policy. You must have CAC & DoD sticker 100% of the time. They'll make you pull for a sticker or go get a new ID made even if it's 10mins before formation. However, they let CAP on with CAPID & DL. They also issue a special DOD-style sticker for CAP members. Really no issues at all.

Far as CAP IDs. I think we need to stand fast for a couple years. FEMA is working their new credenialing system. Those cards are going to be agency versions of a smart card w/ FEMA certificates on it. That's what CAP is going to need to go to eventually. I'd also like if it could be loaded with CAC certificates for computer & DKO (as that comes online) access. I really don't like that the Army has a volunteer category on AKO that get .mil emails & CAP doesn't under the AF. As that goes to a centralized DoD system, I hope it'll translate.
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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2008, 01:50:35 AM »

Real "burnouts" get on with thier dependant card, but uniformed CAP officers with an FBI check behind them are hassled.

I don't have any recomendation to this, as I'm not familar with DoD protocal. However, CAP could get with a more approriate photo IDs (for everyone) than the library card. With today's technology, I mean come on.

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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2008, 02:56:11 AM »

I seem to recall that when we went back to internally generated CAP ID #s vice SSN, the initial "fill" of CAP members were done, I think, based on "date joined" more or less.

My 123XXX corresponds roughly with my "Date last joined" of Jun 1988. 

I think they may have done it perhaps "by year joined, alphabetically within that year" or something equally esoteric.

Remember, this is the crew that couldn't figure out a way to map a charter number of "20XXX" to "Unit XXX of Michigan Wing, part of GLR" in a relational, hierarchical database and forced everybody to go to the GLR-MI-XXX schema, so be careful looking for rhyme or reason here.

Grrrrr...

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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2008, 03:05:10 AM »

There is no reason a CAP Senior Member should not be issued at CAC card which reads "VOLUNTEER", "No Commissary, limited exchange".  How hard would that be?

The pothead flipping freaking burgers at the AAFES PX gets a CAC to get on Post, but a person who will do more for their community then that stoner will ever do can't get one.  Something is wrong with this picture!

I trust a CAPPER more than some of these people I see walking around post cutting grass and sweeping floors.  I sure as hell trust them more than some of the contractors I have worked with while in Iraq/Afghanistan. 

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2008, 05:05:52 AM »

What? You don't trust the pizza delivery guy at Ft. Dix?
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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2008, 05:24:57 AM »

aveighter, which base is causing the problem?
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2008, 03:03:07 PM »

What? You don't trust the pizza delivery guy at Ft. Dix?

Where was I at.. Fort Bragg, maybe?  I kept looking at the pizza guy thinking "If they're going for the immersive training environment, Bedouin Bob driving the Escort and delivering pizzas is just about to fit the bill..."

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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2008, 04:34:13 PM »

After some research in the CAP-USAF directory, the three wings that are headquartered on an Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard Base are: Indiana, Michigan and Georgia.

So that sucks if you have to go to the Wing HQ and you live in one of those Wings, and it is the Wing where your local base Commander no longer trusts CAP members.  It sounds to me like someone jacked up and pissed the base command off.
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2008, 05:18:51 PM »

INWG HQ is not located on the ARB. It is located on the old base outside the new perimeter which is much smaller that the AFB. Getting to HQ is easy and public. I've never had an issue getting on base to go the the Marine Reserve building for CAP activities.
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2008, 05:58:01 PM »

Law Enforcement knew there was an issue with base security back in 1980.  I went through a DEA Survival school then. They talked about the easiest way for a terrorist to get on base was as a taxi driver or pizza delivery.

I sure hope they have tightened security in that respect by now.
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2008, 06:00:56 PM »

Where was I at.. Fort Bragg, maybe?  I kept looking at the pizza guy thinking "If they're going for the immersive training environment, Bedouin Bob driving the Escort and delivering pizzas is just about to fit the bill..."

Remember the pizza/delivery guys that walked from barracks to barracks with the subs and such?
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« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2008, 06:31:41 PM »

I am in Georgia and the following came to us in an e-mail yesterday.  It does seem bothersome and cumbersome.  I think it will cause some problems with cadets and their parents trying to get to the clothing sales store on base.  We asked the Administrator if she could give the base a list with all of the Georgia members on it and she said they wouldn't let her.  It will also create a problem for those of us that have an Officer's Club card and pay dues.  Perhaps it will be easier to drive in on the Navy side of the base??  Also regarding the serial number thing.  I last joined in 1977 and my number is 125***, so go figure..


"All,

Please be aware that a new policy is in effect for members of CAP to enter the base.  If you plan to come to the headquarters to visit, drop off paperwork, or go to the clothing sales store, you must notify me at least 48 hours before your intended visit.  Once I have been notified, I will make a list to send through the State Director’s office to the Base Security.  Upon entry to the base, you must show your CAP membership card and driver’s license and the list will be checked to verify you are on it.

We must follow this procedure from now on or until the base tells us different.  Please be as cooperative as possible when you come to the base for any reason.  We do not want to jeopardize our being on the base.  If for some reason, you can not come on base, pull into the visitor’s parking lot and call the headquarters, if during duty hours, and I will see what I can do to help you.

It is best to call me at least 48 hours in advance so that we can follow the procedures Base Security has outlined for us.

The new rule is that no one comes on base unless they have a military ID card.

Thank you for following the procedures outlined above."


That is all:

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« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2008, 07:00:18 PM »

Still remember my serial number from 1968: 682 - - -
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« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2008, 07:10:41 PM »

my CAPID is 417081 I don't see how this correlates to my join date, there is a cadet I knew before I joined CAP she has a 41706* and her dad has a similar number as well.  His daughter and I joined in October of 2006, he joined in Dec 2006 so it sure seems like on a rolling whoever gets their apps in first regardless of wing/region
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2008, 01:11:08 AM »

After some research in the CAP-USAF directory, the three wings that are headquartered on an Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard Base are: Indiana, Michigan and Georgia.

So that sucks if you have to go to the Wing HQ and you live in one of those Wings, and it is the Wing where your local base Commander no longer trusts CAP members.  It sounds to me like someone jacked up and pissed the base command off.
NE Region HQ are located on McGuire AFB, NJ.
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2008, 01:40:28 AM »

Seems to me that it would be worthwhile looking for a new place for Wing hq if they are going to make it that difficult for CAP members to get on base. 
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