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JCW0312
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« on: November 15, 2007, 11:20:51 PM »

I was looking at the hock shop website and noticed that the orange reflective safety vest is "disallowed by law in California". I know CA has some pretty crazy laws, but this one really has me confused. Anyone know why this vest is illegal in CA?
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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JCW0312
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 11:21:36 PM »

By the way, if this has come up before, I apologize for wasting a thread. I searched the site, but couldn't find anything.
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 11:23:58 PM »

Some crazy carcinogen law most likely.......like it "causes cancer in rats".  I remember a optical mouse years ago sold by Radioshack that had a disclaimer "illegal to be used in California, under (insert health code). has been shown to cause cancer in animals".
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JCW0312
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 11:29:12 PM »

Wouldn't surprise me. I have seen some crazy things that were illegal for use in California. Not to mention the strick motor vehicle exhaust laws (which I guess could definitely be a good thing).

I guess if I order that vest, I'll just have to remind myself not to eat it every time I feel the urge...
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 12:09:26 AM »

Interesting as I'm sure that wearing orange is probably required of deer hunters in the state, though they normally don't use reflective vests...
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jeders
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 12:22:52 AM »

I seem to remember someone bringing this up as a side point on some topic either here or CS. Can't remember what the reason was, or even where the thread was.
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JCW0312
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 09:31:45 PM »

I seem to remember someone bringing this up as a side point on some topic either here or CS. Can't remember what the reason was, or even where the thread was.

Well, if anyone should remember, I'd be interested to know.
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 12:13:02 AM »

Is it so that we are not confused as union members of CalTrans?  :)
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JCW0312
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 06:48:34 AM »

Is it so that we are not confused as union members of CalTrans?  :)

Makes as good of sense as any other explanation....  :D
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 12:30:44 PM »

This notice recently cam out from the Iowa Highway folks. 

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The specific language of Title 23, Code of Federal Regulations Part 634 – Worker Visibility – is as follows:

All workers within the right-of-way of a federal-aid highway who are exposed either to traffic (vehicles using the highway for purposes of travel) or to construction equipment within the work area shall wear high visibility safety apparel.

All Iowa interstate and primary (state route designation) highways, as well as many county roads and city streets, are federal-aid highways for purposes of compliance with this regulation.   

Effective November 24, 2008, as specified in this regulation, any individual (worker) whose work activities place him/her within a federal-aid highway right-of-way will be required to wear high visibility safety apparel. 
 
As per this regulation, high-visibility safety apparel is defined as personal protective safety clothing that is intended to provide conspicuity during both daytime and nighttime usage and meets the Performance Class 2 or 3 requirements of the ANSI/ISEA 107–2004 publication entitled ‘‘American National Standard for High-Visibility Safety Apparel and Headwear.’’

This material is making its way around the Emergency response community.

Does it apply to CAP???  I think it could

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 12:38:51 PM »

Does it apply to CAP???  I think it could

It might apply if CAP volunteers find themselves on a federal-aid highway roadside, fit within the definitions of "worker" as used by Title 26 CFR Part 634, and are exposed to either traffic or construction equipment where they're doing their CAP activities.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 01:54:59 PM »

from the document

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Workers are defined as people on foot whose duties place them within the right of way of a federal-aid highway such as highway construction and maintenance forces, survey crews, utility crews, incident responders and law enforcement personnel when performing duties such as directing traffic, investigating crashes or handling lane closures or obstructed roadways.

Most of the paved highways in my state, and even many city streets are federally subsidised. 

I added the bold
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JCW0312
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 01:10:30 AM »

Apparently safety vests make more waves than I ever realized. The police dept I work for recently purchased a bunch of custom reflective lime green safety vests for all of the officers. I don't know who the manufacturer of the vests was, but within about a month, someone from the federal government showed up (I think he was with OSHA, but don't quote me on it) and took one of the vests to be tested for ANSI compliance. He brought it back a few weeks later along with some laboratory result letter showing that the vests were up to par and could be used. I thought this was odd, but we have a couple of US Highways that go through our city. I can only assume that this has to do with that federal regulation...
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 01:11:16 AM »

But, I'm still confused about some vests being illegal in California. Anyone???
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 04:10:52 AM »

But, I'm still confused about some vests being illegal in California. Anyone???

Call The Hock and get more specific information.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2007, 11:51:41 AM »

I might do that after the Thanksgiving holiday is over. When I tried a google search for 'safety vests illegal california', I ran across a few other websites that had vests for sale that were listed as illegal in California. Still, none had any reason why.
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 02:26:00 PM »

Can you say "Urban Myth"? When you do call the Hock, ask him. Should be an interesting answer.
Then ask him what his source is for this infomation.

I willing to bet it will go along the lines of "I heard this from somebody else......".
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JCW0312
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2007, 06:43:50 AM »

"But I saw it on TV! It must be true..." ;D
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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JCW0312
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2007, 09:00:16 AM »

I also noticed on the hock's website that there's also a poncho (not the military issue one) that also is unlawful in California. Maybe one of these days I'll call the hock and ask...
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Duke Dillio
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2007, 09:40:14 AM »

Just a thought but I know in California there are certain types of fabric and clothing that are illegal because they do not meet some fire code or something like that.  I know that I have seen other types of clothing that were illegal in California because of this reason.
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JCW0312
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2007, 10:59:57 AM »

Just a thought but I know in California there are certain types of fabric and clothing that are illegal because they do not meet some fire code or something like that.  I know that I have seen other types of clothing that were illegal in California because of this reason.

California must have been a rough place in the 80's.
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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Duke Dillio
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2007, 11:08:12 AM »

^Cali is just a bad place to live period....

Consider the fact that I work at a coal fired power plant...

[singing] Emissions is on my mind.... [end singing while people barf]
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JCW0312
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2007, 03:20:14 PM »

^Cali is just a bad place to live period....

Consider the fact that I work at a coal fired power plant...

[singing] Emissions is on my mind.... [end singing while people barf]

Yeah. Living in Tennessee, I've never been that far west and honestly have zero desire to do so. Funny story though - one of the officers I work with arrested a guy who had a warrant out of Los Angeles for murder and the guy made some unsolicited statements (legal term - spontaneous utterance) that indicated his guilt. Now the government in L.A. (city, county? I don't know) is flying this officer out to Cali for his testimony. I don't care for Cali, but I could use a vacation!

Sorry, I know. Back to topic.
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2007, 05:46:19 PM »

big blow ups over the proposed DOT requirments, specifically the temperary work zone requirments
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JCW0312
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 09:35:34 PM »

^ Who's blowing up over it? The state folks in CA?
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Jon Williams, 2d Lt, CAP
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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2007, 10:17:20 PM »

I believe orange vests are only authorized for wear for illegal undocumented residents.
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