Aux On/Aux Off pencil pocket patches are back!

Started by Mustang, January 25, 2021, 11:53:29 am

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usaf_defender


Larry Mangum

January 25, 2021, 01:32:56 pm #2 Last Edit: February 15, 2021, 04:26:39 pm by Larry Mangum
And still authorized to wear. The AF is very, very specific about what patches can be worn on the flight suit, and any type of morale patch is not allowed. heck, Wing and Region Commanders are not even allowed to supplement what can be worn on them.
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Mustang

Quote from: Larry Mangum on January 25, 2021, 01:32:56 pmAnd still illegal to wear. The AF is very, very specific about what patches can be worn on the flight suit, and any type of morale patch is not allowed.
Absolutely correct--and almost universally ignored.
"Amateurs train until they get it right; Professionals train until they cannot get it wrong. "


HandsomeWalt_USMC

If they were legal they wouldn't be morale patches.
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Stonewall

Quote from: Larry Mangum on January 25, 2021, 01:32:56 pmAnd still illegal to wear. The AF is very, very specific about what patches can be worn on the flight suit, and any type of morale patch is not allowed.

Someone should mention that to the AF. Of all the people wearing flight suits at my base, I'm not sure there's a single flyer wearing the same patch setup. Probably the most consistent patch worn is on the pencil/pen Velcro strip that shows OSU Buckeye Pride.

Larry Mangum

Quote from: Stonewall on January 25, 2021, 02:21:17 pm
Quote from: Larry Mangum on January 25, 2021, 01:32:56 pmAnd still illegal to wear. The AF is very, very specific about what patches can be worn on the flight suit, and any type of morale patch is not allowed.

Someone should mention that to the AF. Of all the people wearing flight suits at my base, I'm not sure there's a single flyer wearing the same patch setup. Probably the most consistent patch worn is on the pencil/pen Velcro strip that shows OSU Buckeye Pride.


What the AF does within its own universe is up to the AF. I have served as a member of evaluation teams at the region level, and the one item that AF Liaison Officers, will always bring up, it seems like, was improper wear of the flight suit.
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usaf_defender

January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pm #7 Last Edit: January 25, 2021, 03:24:13 pm by usaf_defender
Nonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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PHall

Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!

HandsomeWalt_USMC

Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2021, 07:27:30 pm
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!

Anyone else read this in the voice of Kevin from the Office?
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usaf_defender


PHall

Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on January 25, 2021, 09:53:19 pm
Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2021, 07:27:30 pm
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!

Anyone else read this in the voice of Kevin from the Office?


I was thinking more along the line of Pat Morita (Arnold) from Happy Days.

Holding Pattern

Excellent, I needed something new to gift to people who participate in missions I run point on. My Black Swan patches are running low.

usaf_defender

Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2021, 11:15:17 pm
Quote from: HandsomeWalt_USMC on January 25, 2021, 09:53:19 pm
Quote from: PHall on January 25, 2021, 07:27:30 pm
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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You funny guy, you used inspection and flight suit in the same sentence!

Anyone else read this in the voice of Kevin from the Office?


I was thinking more along the line of Pat Morita (Arnold) from Happy Days.
You got me there.


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mco

February 15, 2021, 04:40:05 am #15 Last Edit: February 15, 2021, 04:43:17 am by mco
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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Morale patches on flight suits are authorized for active duty Air Force

" Small morale tabs may be worn on the exposed Velcro of the left sleeve when the pen pocket cover is removed; wear is not restricted. Squadron Commanders will approve and maintain a list of acceptable morale patches and tabs for wear by assigned Airmen."

Since you wanted to get the quoting of regs out of the way.

SarDragon

Is it really that hard to post without being snarky? Just wondering.
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PHall

Quote from: mco on February 15, 2021, 04:40:05 am
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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Morale patches on flight suits are authorized for active duty Air Force

" Small morale tabs may be worn on the exposed Velcro of the left sleeve when the pen pocket cover is removed; wear is not restricted. Squadron Commanders will approve and maintain a list of acceptable morale patches and tabs for wear by assigned Airmen."

Since you wanted to get the quoting of regs out of the way.

How about quoting the entire paragraph and not just cherry picking the part you agree with.

AFI 36-2903, 7 February 2020, Attachment 6.3.10 Morale Patches and Tabs. Wing Commanders may authorize the wear of morale patches on the shoulders of the FDU on Fridays, or during special events. AF Reserve and ANG personnel commanders may authorize wear during weekend drills on Friday, Saturday or Sundays or during special events. A morale patch is defined as a design symbol locally developed and displayed. A morale patch will not depict a current or past official organizational emblem or any alteration thereof. Small morale tabs may be worn on the exposed Velcro of the left sleeve when the pen pocket cover is removed; wear is not restricted. Squadron Commanders will approve and maintain a list of acceptable morale patches and tabs for wear by assigned Airmen.

JohhnyD

Maybe we could suggest a similar adjustment to our regs?

mco

Quote from: PHall on February 15, 2021, 06:16:12 am
Quote from: mco on February 15, 2021, 04:40:05 am
Quote from: usaf_defender on January 25, 2021, 03:17:33 pmNonsense. They're illegal in the Air Force as well yet every pilot including commanders and wing commanders wear them. I've even seen them on the flight suit wearers during active duty inspection. There's a difference between wearing a morale item at the squadron or trainex and being complaint and on your best behavior during inspection.

Now that we got the requisite quoting of regs out of the way....


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Morale patches on flight suits are authorized for active duty Air Force

" Small morale tabs may be worn on the exposed Velcro of the left sleeve when the pen pocket cover is removed; wear is not restricted. Squadron Commanders will approve and maintain a list of acceptable morale patches and tabs for wear by assigned Airmen."

Since you wanted to get the quoting of regs out of the way.

How about quoting the entire paragraph and not just cherry picking the part you agree with.

AFI 36-2903, 7 February 2020, Attachment 6.3.10 Morale Patches and Tabs. Wing Commanders may authorize the wear of morale patches on the shoulders of the FDU on Fridays, or during special events. AF Reserve and ANG personnel commanders may authorize wear during weekend drills on Friday, Saturday or Sundays or during special events. A morale patch is defined as a design symbol locally developed and displayed. A morale patch will not depict a current or past official organizational emblem or any alteration thereof. Small morale tabs may be worn on the exposed Velcro of the left sleeve when the pen pocket cover is removed; wear is not restricted. Squadron Commanders will approve and maintain a list of acceptable morale patches and tabs for wear by assigned Airmen.

It's not the part I agree or disagree with, it's just the part that applies. Morale tabs are the patch in question, which go on the pen tab. Therefore the restrictions on morale patches do not apply to morale tabs based on the sentence, wear is not restricted. The first half of that paragraph is guidance for a different patch than the one we are talking about and doesn't apply, which is why I didn't copy it. If you want to also discuss morale patches on the shoulder, then it would apply.

And I was only being snarky in response to a snarky post that made incorrect assumptions about uniform regs.

TheSkyHornet

Can we stop using the term "illegal" when referring to compliance with CAP regulations?

Unauthorized and unlawful are different.

SarDragon

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on February 15, 2021, 02:50:31 pmCan we stop using the term "illegal" when referring to compliance with CAP regulations?

Unauthorized and unlawful are different.

Agreed, and this topic is now unpostable.
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