November 26, 2020, 06:53:04 am

Ball Cap Ideas

Started by usaf_defender, November 14, 2020, 11:46:27 pm

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usaf_defender

You're correct. I pulled it from an article on a flag decommissioning ceremony.


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shuman14

The simple question is... why is there not one standard/uniform CAP ball cap outlined in the regulation?

I get the concept of a unit specific headgear, worn at unit activities and functions, but there needs to be a clear directive what is to be worn when not at those activities.

Yes I know, as certain old curmudgeons like to point out, "no one needs a CAP baseball cap"... BUT... if the Regulation is going to authorize its wear it needs to be defined and not just a vague reference to a CAP Baseball cap.

Otherwise, you'll have fifty members in formation, in thirty different CAP baseball caps, and they'll all be right but it will look so wrong.

Also, I don't understand the reasoning for not allowing rank on the CAP Baseball cap. Rank is worn on the other working uniform hats (i.e. ABU, BDU, BBDU), what logic is used to say this is not something to be allowed?
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Blanding

Quote from: shuman14 on November 18, 2020, 03:36:32 pmThe simple question is... why is there not one standard/uniform CAP ball cap outlined in the regulation?


Because...

Quote from: undefinedOtherwise, you'll have fifty members in formation, in thirty different CAP baseball caps, and they'll all be right but it will look so wrong.

...perhaps the organization would rather *have* fifty members in formation vs. drive them all away by telling them they "look wrong".

shuman14

Quote...perhaps the organization would rather *have* fifty members in formation vs. drive them all away by telling them they "look wrong".

Then why bother having uniforms at all? Bermuda shorts and a pink Rude Dog tee-shirt for me! After all you want me in that formation... right?
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Eclipse

Quote from: Blanding on November 18, 2020, 03:54:57 pm...perhaps the organization would rather *have* fifty members in formation vs. drive them all away by telling them they "look wrong".

Or perhaps the organization could publish standards and require compliance.

And then people could join the organizaiton and comply instead of pretending the organization
is "lucky they showed up at all".

Fair enough that the corporate variants are intended to reduce costs for the membership, but there
has to be a line of compliance somewhere.   The organizations CAP seeks to emulate or work with
do not accept the level of nonsense CAP puts up with in the misguided name of "retention".

The ARC, Salvation Army, LEAs, FDs, even EMAs have appearance standards for a reason, and little
tolerance for "special".

How anyone joins a military auxiliary and then is shocked about "standards" has escaped me for 21 years.
It points to poor vetting when recruiting, poor indoc training, and most certainly the central problem
which is lack of enforcement with ramifications.

Seriously, the door is over there.  There are plenty of local orgs that can use your help.



Blanding

November 18, 2020, 06:12:37 pm #25 Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 07:57:16 pm by Blanding
QuoteThen why bother having uniforms at all? Bermuda shorts and a pink Rude Dog tee-shirt for me! After all you want me in that formation... right?

Yes, I do. Especially if you can rock it like them:



I'm really enjoying you equating members having a non-standard ball cap to wearing Bermuda shorts. I know whenever I put on a hat that doesn't look the same as the person next to me I just go crazy and start spray painting the walls.

shuman14

QuoteI just go crazy and start spray painting the walls.

Sounds like a personal issue, have you sought professional help?   ;D
Joseph J. Clune
Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police

USMCR: 1990 - 1992                           USAR: 1993 - 1998, 2000 - 2003, 2005 - Present     CAP: National Patron 2013 - 2014, SMWOG 2020 - Present
INARNG: 1992 - 1993, 1998 - 2000      Active Army: 2003 - 2005                                       USCGAux: 2004 - Present

Blanding

Quote from: shuman14 on November 18, 2020, 06:23:40 pm
QuoteI just go crazy and start spray painting the walls.

Sounds like a personal issue, have you sought professional help?   ;D

Heh; I'm still looking for the cure... it's out there somewhere.

arajca

Quote from: Blanding on November 18, 2020, 06:30:53 pm
Quote from: shuman14 on November 18, 2020, 06:23:40 pm
QuoteI just go crazy and start spray painting the walls.

Sounds like a personal issue, have you sought professional help?   ;D

Heh; I'm still looking for the cure... it's out there somewhere.
Cure? I thought you'd be looking for tools. >:D

usaf_defender

Mods: My question has been answered. At least to the  point that it ever really could have been.


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