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A question for Active Duty members

Started by Holding Pattern, August 18, 2020, 04:52:05 pm

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Stonewall

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 19, 2020, 03:56:34 pm
Quote from: farsightusf2017 on August 18, 2020, 11:38:27 pmUsually we don't write ourselves up for awards. Ideally your leadership is involved and know what you do in your free time and if they are worth their grain in salt they do what they can to recognize you.

Only in CAP have I heard of someone telling you to "fill out the form, send it to me, and I'll sign it."


I can't tell you the number of times I've heard that in the Air Force and Air National Guard. Not under my watch, but on several occasions I've been told to write my own enlisted performance report (EPR) and other awards nomination. In Afghanistan we were told "if you want a medal, expect to have to write it yourself."

Stonewall

Quote from: coudano on August 20, 2020, 12:12:53 amPermissive TDY is not a 'verbal order' thing... it's a formal leave category, and should be taken just like any other leave (in the USAF, via leaveweb) documented, and approved by supervisor's digital signature.  That's how you avoid the circle back around and screwed over...

All my years in CAP and the military simultaneously, it wasn't until the 2019 encampment that I actually submitted for permissive TDY. When I did so in LeaveWeb, my immediate supervisor (my squadron commander) had to approve it before it got routed to the group commander (Col/O-6). I didn't realize it required O-6 approval.

JohhnyD

Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2020, 01:36:04 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 19, 2020, 03:56:34 pm
Quote from: farsightusf2017 on August 18, 2020, 11:38:27 pmUsually we don't write ourselves up for awards. Ideally your leadership is involved and know what you do in your free time and if they are worth their grain in salt they do what they can to recognize you.

Only in CAP have I heard of someone telling you to "fill out the form, send it to me, and I'll sign it."


I can't tell you the number of times I've heard that in the Air Force and Air National Guard. Not under my watch, but on several occasions I've been told to write my own enlisted performance report (EPR) and other awards nomination. In Afghanistan we were told "if you want a medal, expect to have to write it yourself."
In the business world that is also the "norm", odd - but true.

PHall

Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2020, 01:36:04 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 19, 2020, 03:56:34 pm
Quote from: farsightusf2017 on August 18, 2020, 11:38:27 pmUsually we don't write ourselves up for awards. Ideally your leadership is involved and know what you do in your free time and if they are worth their grain in salt they do what they can to recognize you.

Only in CAP have I heard of someone telling you to "fill out the form, send it to me, and I'll sign it."


I can't tell you the number of times I've heard that in the Air Force and Air National Guard. Not under my watch, but on several occasions I've been told to write my own enlisted performance report (EPR) and other awards nomination. In Afghanistan we were told "if you want a medal, expect to have to write it yourself."

Yep, we called it the "Right of the First Draft". It's how I learned to write EPR's.

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Stonewall on August 22, 2020, 01:36:04 pmIn Afghanistan we were told "if you want a medal, expect to have to write it yourself."

We used to joke about that but in the sense that it was a failure on leadership to recognize performance.

Quote from: JohhnyD on August 22, 2020, 03:37:08 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 19, 2020, 03:56:34 pmOnly in CAP have I heard of someone telling you to "fill out the form, send it to me, and I'll sign it."

In the business world that is also the "norm", odd - but true.

I certainly never heard that in the business world. If anything, I find that organizations like CAP do far more to try and recognize people than most corporations.

We actually started an Employee Recognition Committee to develop corporate commendations just before the COVID-19 catastrophe (which, of course, we had to scrap due to budgeting and resource issues thereafter).

I just absolutely cannot stand the laziness of leadership to not take the time to look into someone's record or find out more details.

This thread shows a lot of people who want to take the time to do someone nice for the sake of being nice and giving a darn about someone else. Wish I'd see more of it out there.

Eclipse

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 24, 2020, 02:24:04 pmI just absolutely cannot stand the laziness of leadership to not take the time to look into someone's record or find out more details.

This thread shows a lot of people who want to take the time to do someone nice for the sake of being nice and giving a darn about someone else. Wish I'd see more of it out there.

It's not always laziness.

There have been (and are) more then a few "regimes" where getting a dec approved was all but impossible.



TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on August 24, 2020, 03:36:32 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on August 24, 2020, 02:24:04 pmI just absolutely cannot stand the laziness of leadership to not take the time to look into someone's record or find out more details.

This thread shows a lot of people who want to take the time to do someone nice for the sake of being nice and giving a darn about someone else. Wish I'd see more of it out there.

It's not always laziness.

There have been (and are) more then a few "regimes" where getting a dec approved was all but impossible.

That's fair.

Take my comment as generalized, untargeted frustration.